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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    I don't disagree that Yoni is wrong on this one and have already pointed it out to him.

    That being said, Chumps analogy was ed up.
    Why am I wrong? Biofuels were a product of environmentalism.

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    Why am I wrong? Biofuels were a product of environmentalism.
    Partial birth abortion laws were a product of pro-lifers.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    btw...biofuels are not only ethanol based. The interest in biofuels as been around longer than Mother Earth News has had ads. I think we can all agree that your avg. ME reader and advertiser aint exactly the capitalist stereotype.

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    Why am I wrong? Biofuels were a product of environmentalism.
    Yeah no. You can keep saying this but its simply not true. No current generation of biofuels - the majority of which is ethanol - is clean therefore I would love for you to explain why it would be supported by environmentalists.

    Aside from its direct pollution, it places a much needed food supply into a different method of production and encourages deforestation in order to produce crops meant for biofuel production - both of which aren't something that would be supported by those who want to protect the environment.

    You saying that environmentalists are the force behind biofuels is akin to saying Republicans are the force behind Universal Healthcare.

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    Yeah no. You can keep saying this but its simply not true. No current generation of biofuels - the majority of which is ethanol - is clean therefore I would love for you to explain why it would be supported by environmentalists.

    Aside from its direct pollution, it places a much needed food supply into a different method of production and encourages deforestation in order to produce crops meant for biofuel production - both of which aren't something that would be supported by those who want to protect the environment.

    You saying that environmentalists are the force behind biofuels is akin to saying Republicans are the force behind Universal Healthcare.
    I didn't say biofuels were environmentally friendly, I said they exist because environmentalists thought they would be and demanded them.

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    btw...biofuels are not only ethanol based. The interest in biofuels as been around longer than Mother Earth News has had ads. I think we can all agree that your avg. ME reader and advertiser aint exactly the capitalist stereotype.
    Corn Based ethanol is pretty much what biofuel means now. Yeah, there are other forms of biofuels but as far as I know none of them are anywhere near being able to be used on a meaningful scale and none of them are especially clean.

    Environmentalists point to solar and wind power as completely clean and renewable resources. People who want to look for non petroleum based fuels point to biofuels. Those are two groups which have overlap but are very different.

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    I didn't say biofuels were environmentally friendly, I said they exist because environmentalists thought they would be and demanded them.
    Would you like to prove this or would you like us to take your word for it?

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    Would you like to prove this or would you like us to take your word for it?
    You can do what you like.

    I'm pretty sure we were all pretty happy with petroleum-based fuel until the environmentalists started whining about needing an alternative.

    Now, I will grant you this; it could have been a faux environmentalist (i.e. Al Gore vis-a-vis carbon credits) who saw an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the environmentalist crowd.

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    You can do what you like.

    I'm pretty sure we were all pretty happy with petroleum-based fuel until the environmentalists started whining about needing an alternative.
    Oh really?

    Yeah - people LOVED paying four dollars a gallon for gas.

    Now, I will grant you this; it could have been a faux environmentalist (i.e. Al Gore vis-a-vis carbon credits) who saw an opportunity to cash in on the ignorance of the environmentalist crowd.
    No, it was someone who wanted to make money based upon like four dollar gas mentioned above. Environmentalists don't want it and never have no matter how much you close your eyes and wish it so.

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    Once again Yonivore makes a quick exit when asked to back up his facts. Lazy or dishonest? Both!

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    Environmentalists don't want it and never have no matter how much you close your eyes and wish it so.
    Then, back to the OP, why was Britain trying to appease the enviro-Gods at the EU by including biofuels in their Renewable Energy Plan?

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    Once again Yonivore makes a quick exit when asked to back up his facts. Lazy or dishonest? Both!
    Once again, life intrudes on this diversion and I had to attend to something...it's liable to happen again.

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    Lazy and dishonest.

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    Once again, life intrudes on this diversion and I had to attend to something...it's liable to happen again.
    Post all day...someone asks a question?

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