Bush said Iraq didn't have them.
You weren't really paying attention, were you?
Whether this thread is bull or not, could DMX7 and Chumpdumper try to cover the fact that they are intimate lovers by not posting together at all times. CHumpdumper, get your own laptop, DMX7 works for his own toys, you should make something of yourself and start pulling your half.
The proof is in your posts.
The argument I made before the election was that if Obama didn't prosecute arbitrary detention and torture as crimes, they would soon acquire the respectable patina of custom.
That's a far cry from vindication IHMO, but it is ins utional validity. The Bush precedents vis-a-vis rule of law and extra-cons utional power are legally validated by his successor's acquiescence to them. For the time being.
That's the really sad thing. Yoni celebrates it as vindication, but I see it as just another sign of the death of the old American republic. We used to give the bad guy a fair shake.
Now, like cowards, we say we can't afford to anymore.
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Great Britain, India, Indonesia and Pakistan (among many others) still prosecute terrorists as criminals.
Why can't we?
You say all of that as if we've tried enemy combatants in American courts before and have somehow taken a step backward from that.
When, in our history, have we ever put the likes of KSM on trial in an American courtroom?
Because we're not idiots. Well, most of us anyway.
Miss him? It's like he never left.
This issue isn't a vindication of Bush, it's a condemnation of Obama.
Basically. Seems it's too complicated for Yoni to parse that though.
Right. That said, it makes the Obama's administration another turd sandwich, but it doesn't makes Bush's turd sandwich more palatable.
It's still a turd whichever way you look at it. I don't personally think it legitimizes anything. I'll be more worried when and if it's actually legitimized by the courts though.
1996, you idiot.
I'm understanding the issue just fine.
Barack Obama is continuing an apparently legal and cons utional policy of George W. Bush's that he railed against while running for President. Just because you disagree with the policy and believe that now makes Obama the s of the earth doesn't make it any less of a vindication.
And, it should vindicate me in the eyes of those now pissed at Barry. I've been saying he's s since the campaign.
nah s my people start uncessary wars..
You clearly do not.
Considering you're not a lawyer, your thoughts about what's legal or cons utional are just as good as mine. It's not like government lawyers haven't been wrong before on what they can get away with, especially Bush's lawyers (see habeas case).
However, as I pointed out earlier, it's not the administration that doesn't want to try these people. They just don't have the balls to do so despite opposition in other powerful places. That's to me what makes them cowards.
If we have to start a vindication thread for every time you've been wrong, we would overload this place...
You can brag and tell everybody that "Obama sucks". Go right ahead. But please don't come telling me Bush wasn't a terrible president, or because this guy does the same , he's all of a sudden vindicated.
Sure I do.
They're still not trying them. I don't care what is their lame excuse.
And, if there's no statute being applied to force the administration to try or release KSM; then, it's legal and cons utional until a court of competent jurisdiction decides otherwise.
Bush wasn't a terrible president and because this guy does the same " " doesn't vindicate President Bush.
What vindicates President Bush is that this guy railed against the very policies he's now employing. That's vindication.
Actually it just means Obama chose a very poor role model to pattern his administration after.
Yoni bragging about pussy Congressman shying away from the American civil law system.
Especially since he spent 18 months blasting the administration on the campaign trail and the past two years blaming him. Makes you wonder, if he hates the previous administration so much, why would he continue policies that he so vehemently opposed prior to taking office.
I think it's because, as President, he now knows those are the best courses of action.
I said, after the election, Barack Obama was going to get slapped in the face with some cold hard realities when he stepped into the office on January 21, 2009.
All evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.
Eh, in this case Obama is a coward just like Bush and yoni.
All evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.
These people didn't commit crimes, the committed acts of war. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me when we've ever tried enemy combatants in an American courtroom.
And, I'm not bragging on anyone...I just happen to agree with the outcome.
yoni read my response and moved his goalpost.
Didn't we just put that guy who tried to set off a car bomb in NY through the legal system?
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