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    The Wemby Assembly z0sa's Avatar
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    If they wished to go out of business in a week, sure.
    Every little right taken away is still, fundamentally, a huge loss. Like choosing between acting out a TSA porno or being fondled while also spending hundreds on tickets and bull fees.

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    Yeah, because I'm sure THAT won't set off a million alarm bells.
    Yep
    From what I've read,

    the TSA scanners are not for "random" screeners. They are not optional at a lot of airports now. All passengers have to go through them, unless you want the pat down instead.
    That's what I've read also.


    I don't suppose more families taking vacations would be willing to drive instead of fly - a return to "The Great American Road Trip". I wonder how quickly the scanners would be dumped when the airlines started losing millions and started putting some "pressure" on TSA to lose the damn things.

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    Again, we're not talking about our general population. This conversation is about the safety of flying...not walking into a mall...or walking into an airport...but, getting on an airplane and flying.

    And, in that respect, profiling -- one of many techniques used by Israel -- seems to work.
    How would that make our country safer? Are you saying you support security theater?

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    Every little right taken away is still, fundamentally, a huge loss. Like choosing between acting out a TSA porno or being fondled while also spending hundreds on tickets and bull fees.
    Agreed.

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    Tommy for president!

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    I still want to see some REAL scanner porn on a hottie to see whats what. That simulated dumpy the TSA put out with the gun up her ass is....


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    What's going to stop a terrorist from walking into a mall or a busy skyscaper at the bottom floor and doing the same thing?
    Getting the missile or explosive there.

    Securing the pit is enough. I agree, it has become theater.

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    This is ridiculous. For the "privilege" of flying, we have to relinquish the most private of our rights, without reasonable su ion?
    The government is constantly violating it's purpose. It's generally against the wealthy and producers of this nation. At least this is a little more fair and balanced.

    If you are going to complain about this, then how about complaining about the unequal percentage of tax burdens.

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    just pack it into a hoveround.

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    The government is constantly violating it's purpose. It's generally against the wealthy and producers of this nation. At least this is a little more fair and balanced.

    If you are going to complain about this, then how about complaining about the unequal percentage of tax burdens.
    That sounds like an invigorating and original discussion topic, maybe you should start a new thread about it.

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    How would that make our country safer? Are you saying you support security theater?
    God, you're dense.

    The country of Israel employs a security regimen that doesn't entail all this theater and hoop-jumping devised by the TSA. I say, adopt their policies; they've been incident free for decades.
    Last edited by Yonivore; 11-15-2010 at 06:13 PM.

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    I still want to see some REAL scanner porn on a hottie to see whats what. That simulated dumpy the TSA put out with the gun up her ass is....

    I think that's Janet Incompetano.

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    God, you're dense.
    No .

    For as smart as he obviously is, he has his blond moments.

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    Beyond an airplane's potential as a weapon of its own I don't really understand why we're so much more concerned about protecting planes from terrorist attack than we are about protecting shopping malls, schools, sporting events, and any other place where far more people are gathered together and where a bomb could do significantly more damage.
    This has been my annoyance all along, if these terrorists are so bad and so tough...why haven't they blown themselves up at gas stations and shopping malls? They could put malls out of business, think about it. ANy whacko can run onto a field and blow himself up while your kids are in a huddle during the football game. It's a dangerous world, but at some point we have to realize that we just need to live.

    Also, I think if a plane's fuel supply is compromised, it can be contaminated with biological agents and dumped over a major city. Same with the oxygen supply messing with the passengers.

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    Why bother with explosives? Anyone can easily get a gun and cause a lot of havoc with that. Then again, there are reasons they attack airplanes. Symbolism of what you have done is more important than the actual death toll.

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    I'm pretty satisfied with saying I think we should employ whatever tactics are used by the Israelis at their airports.

    How 'bout we just compare their treatment of airline passengers? After all, I'm not comparing "apples to oranges;" I'm comparing apples to apples. Not everyone who uses American airports are citizens just like not everyone who uses Israeli airports are Israeli citizens.

    But, I do know their method for screening passenger is a bit less intrusive, more deliberate, and more respectful than the one we've adopted here. And, they've not experienced a case of violence on any of their airliners in decades.

    All without groping Nuns, teenager, or grandmas in wheelchairs.
    The point is it might not be legal to do so here. You know, we have a Cons ution that is the law of the land and what not.
    I'm sure they have their own laws, that doesn't mean they're compatible with ours.

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    preconceive - for form (as an opinion) prior to actual knowledge or experience


    No need have have a preconceived bias.


    These dudes fit what's called a "profile"
    Hindsight is 20/20. If they fit a profile before the attacks, then why didn't we pick them up then?

    I'm all for more non-intrusive counterintelligence. The thing is, even some Americans have turned their backs on the nation, so even profiling has it's limitations.

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    The country of Israel employs a security regimen that doesn't entail all this theater and hoop-jumping devised by the TSA. I say, adopt their policies; they've been incident free for decades.
    Who has been incident free?
    Terrorists realized it's just easier to walk through the Gaza strip while it was still open and blow themselves up that way.
    You really don't want the US to have the same incident track record of Israel.

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    "Nobody likes having their 4th amendement violated going through a security line, but the truth of the matter is , uh, we're going to have to do it." (Former TSA administrator)
    No, You're ing Authoritarian Loser Liar.

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    B/c of the quotation? I don't get it.

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    "we're going to have to do it."

    He lies. There are other ways, as even a head like Yoni is claiming (Israelis, the Brits vs the IRA).

    His lie is that there is absolutely no other way, wanting to shut down all discussion, shut down all thought, STFU.

    How many (American) airplanes have terrorists brought down, or even hijacked, since 9/11? ZERO.

    So where is the justification of improving on PERFECTION by radiating and/or humiliating every flyer by the brain-dead employer-of-last-resort TSA?

    He knows the American sheeple ARE sheeple, and will just bend over and take it up their asses, sheephishly, again, again, and again, forever, and PAY FOR THE MACHINES with their tax dollars.

    Makes me think of that joke told by Tarantino at the beginning of Desperado about the guy pissing all over the bar, bartender and the bartenders laughing about it. America is the bar. The authoritarian, unstoppable, unslowable plutocracy is the pisser.

    I bet this er is paid by the scanning machine/security industry. Would be the typical, corrupt revolving door double-dipper.

    Who's laughing last at the American self-inflicted insanity and self-pissed job? OBL and his terrorists.

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    (OIC. You meant the TSA guy, not Spurminator.)

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    The point is it might not be legal to do so here. You know, we have a Cons ution that is the law of the land and what not.
    I'm sure they have their own laws, that doesn't mean they're compatible with ours.
    I say we find out.

    , TSA is pretty much pushing the boundaries on the 4th amendment right now.

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    I say we find out.
    You can find out, since it's your proposition.

    , TSA is pretty much pushing the boundaries on the 4th amendment right now.
    And they're getting sued specifically for that reason.

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    "TSA is pretty much pushing the boundaries on the 4th amendment right now."

    When the govt does it, you notice and resist.

    When the corps do it, ....

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