W Vindicated Again

[Yonivore]

Didn't we just put that guy who tried to set off a car bomb in NY through the legal system?

So? How many of the detainees were captured by American law enforcement, on American soil?

And, if you could prove he was acting on orders of a foreign en y, I wouldn't be in favor of a trial in an American courtroom. I'd chunk his ass in Gitmo, as well.

But, no one asked me.

[LnGrrrR]

So? How many of the detainees were captured by American law enforcement, on American soil?

And, if you could prove he was acting on orders of a foreign en y, I wouldn't be in favor of a trial in an American courtroom. I'd chunk his ass in Gitmo, as well.

But, no one asked me.

You asked about enemy combatants. I provided one. Not my fault if you changed the goalposts.

How do you know all those in GTMO were acting under orders from a foreign en y? Oh wait, that's right; you don't. You just accept the government's word that they're bad guys.

And here I thought you were a conservative, who doesn't trust government to work correctly.

[Yonivore]

You asked about enemy combatants. I provided one. Not my fault if you changed the goalposts.

For all I know he was a criminal -- sympathetic to radical Islam -- trying to detonate a bomb in Times Square. That doesn't make him an enemy combatant.

How do you know all those in GTMO were acting under orders from a foreign en y? Oh wait, that's right; you don't. You just accept the government's word that they're bad guys.

And here I thought you were a conservative, who doesn't trust government to work correctly.

Were any of them taken into custody on American soil?

[LnGrrrR]

For all I know he was a criminal -- sympathetic to radical Islam -- trying to detonate a bomb in Times Square. That doesn't make him an enemy combatant.

What DOES make one an enemy combatant?

Were any of them taken into custody on American soil?

You're a little behind on your history.

José Padilla (born October 18, 1970), also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir or Muhajir Abdullah, is a United States citizen convicted of aiding terrorists.
Padilla was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President George W. Bush designated him an enemy combatant and transferred him to a military prison, arguing that he was thereby not en led to trial in civilian courts. Padilla was held for three and a half years as an "enemy combatant" after his arrest in 2002 on su ion of plotting a radioactive "dirty bomb" attack. That charge was dropped and his case was moved to a civilian court after pressure from civil liberties groups.

Derrp.

[Yonivore]

What DOES make one an enemy combatant?

You're a little behind on your history.

Derrp.

And, if you could prove he was acting on orders of a foreign en y, I wouldn't be in favor of a trial in an American courtroom. I'd chunk his ass in Gitmo, as well.

Convicted of aiding terrorists of foreign origin, I believe. Derrp.

[Winehole23]

In an American courtroom. That wasn't so hard, was it?

[LnGrrrR]

Convicted of aiding terrorists of foreign origin, I believe. Derrp.

Yup, sure was convicted. But he was arrested in America. So what exactly makes one an enemy combatant? Could you spell it out for me?

[LnGrrrR]

In an American courtroom. That wasn't so hard, was it?

Aww WH23, I was wondering if Yoni would've figured that out himself.

[ElNono]

Bush wasn't a terrible president and because this guy does the same " " doesn't vindicate President Bush.

No, Bush was, without a shadow of a doubt, a terrible president.

What vindicates President Bush is that this guy railed against the very policies he's now employing. That's vindication.

No, it doesn't remove blame from Bush (that is what vindication means). It puts blame squarely on Obama.
When we look back 10 years from now on this subject, Bush will still be a turd, and so will Obama, who had the chance to do something about it, but didn't have the balls to do so.

[ElNono]

In an American courtroom. That wasn't so hard, was it?

You should start a vindication thread.

[Winehole23]

Nah. Yoni making my own point for me despite his consciously taken opposition to it, is enough.

[Winehole23]

(Derrp de derrp)

[Yonivore]

Yup, sure was convicted. But he was arrested in America. So what exactly makes one an enemy combatant? Could you spell it out for me?

And, like I said, I wouldn't care where he was arrested if he was acting in concert with a foreign terrorist organization. Throw his ass in Gitmo. , take him out back and shoot him.

[ChumpDumper]

And, like I said, I wouldn't care where he was arrested if he was acting in concert with a foreign terrorist organization. Throw his ass in Gitmo. , take him out back and shoot him.

Too bad we've already successfully tried such people in federal court. Your ignorance of that fact is not an argument.

[ElNono]

And, like I said, I wouldn't care where he was arrested if he was acting in concert with a foreign terrorist organization. Throw his ass in Gitmo. , take him out back and shoot him.

Too bad we've already successfully tried such people in federal court. Your ignorance of that fact is not an argument.

[LnGrrrR]

And, like I said, I wouldn't care where he was arrested if he was acting in concert with a foreign terrorist organization. Throw his ass in Gitmo. , take him out back and shoot him.

Thanks for admitting that the American court system works for prosecuting enemy combatants. I guess you just dislike our system to law. Fair enough.

[RandomGuy]

You say all of that as if we've tried enemy combatants in American courts before and have somehow taken a step backward from that.

When, in our history, have we ever put the likes of KSM on trial in an American courtroom?

1996, you idiot.

I think that elevating Al Qaeda members to the status of "enemy combatant", rather than that of simple criminals we have grievously harmed our rule of law.

Conservative inability to correctly frame the problem, and that stems directly from a Bush-ism, i.e. the "war on terror", is *the* main thing that has made a lot of our response to this issue less effective than it would have been otherwise.

We are not fighting a war on a tactic. We are fighting a war against an idea.

That idea is that "The USA is evil". No more, no less. Sure, it is a bit more nuanced, but it can be fairly stated in that manner.

You can't fight that idea with bullets. That, paradoxically, makes the idea more credible in the minds of the people that matter.

You fight that idea with acts of good, and by living up to the principles that we say we stand for. Sure it sounds touchy-feely, and that is why it is an anethema to "conservatives", who underestimate the power of moral authority.

[LnGrrrR]

Given Yoni's stance, we should probably be throwing all members of the Mafia in GTMO too.

[CosmicCowboy]

KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to make announcement today.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...in;contentBody

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm sure it's just cir stantial that Obama just announced his re-election campaign.

[Winehole23]

The pre 9/11 way was better.

[MannyIsGod]

Why do you think its not cir stantial? Do you think this helps him?

[CosmicCowboy]

Why do you think its not cir stantial? Do you think this helps him?

If you go by the polls, yes. They were pretty overwhelming against civil trials in the US.

[jack sommerset]

If you go by the polls, yes. They were pretty overwhelming against civil trials in the US.

Polls...

[MannyIsGod]

You think the average person out on the street even knows this? Or you think it will factor in months from now much less years from now?

I think its a coincidence because I don't think this helps him. The only people who decide their vote on items like this are people who are already pissed at him because of Libya etc etc.