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    considering the latest signings of Valencia, he will have to play mainly PG (or combo) to get his minutes. Valencia now has 3 good options for SF (Fernandez, Savanovic, Claver), so Winston will play mostly SG and Martinez as well. the combo slot is the only one that isn't overcrowded at this roster.
    but this will be good, he will need to be able to handle some point anyhow, if he wants to succeed in the NBA.
    Winston will be the backup SF. Savanovic is a PF and Fernandez is an end of the bench player.

    Valencia's last year team was:
    PG: De Colo - Marinovic
    SG: Martinez -Kelati
    SF: Claver - Kelati
    PF: Nielsen - Pietrus
    C: Perovic - Lishuk

    This summer:
    - Cook has replaced Marinovic
    - Winston has replaced Kelati
    - Savanovic has replaced Nielsen
    - Augustine has replaced Pietrus
    - Javtokas has replaced Perovic.

    This year team will be:
    PG: De Colo - Cook
    SG: Martinez - Winston
    SF: Claver - Winston
    PF: Savanovic - Augustine
    C: Javtokas - Lishuk

    At the end of the bench, they will have Simeon and Fernandez.

    Valencia will play will basically the same kind of 9 men rotation that last year. Nando will have a little more compe ion at PG because Omar Cook is way better than Marinovic. The consequence is that Nando could play some SG next year while he almost only played PG last year.

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    of course you are right about the Valencia rotation. (I mistook Savanovic as a SF)
    however, some surprising news about Valencia: they canceled (or didn't complete) the signing of Winston:
    http://www.valenciabasket.com/index....icias&noti=487

    if they don't find a replacement for Winston, Nando will play more minutes at SG.
    (but this would also lower the chances of Valencia to succeed in the Euroleague)

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    That's strange. Maybe he failed his physical.

    Replacing him shouldn't be too complicate because good swingmen are common and because they don't have constraints on the nationality of the new player.

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    yes, Valencia can offer spotlight in the Euroleague, that's a huge advantage, so they will get interest from some FAs that are left. wouldn't be surprised to see a guy like Carney, Wilkins, Devin Brown, Hayes, McCants etc. end up there. (didn't check if all still are FAs)

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    http://www.thehoopsmarket.com/news/k...xt-season.aspx

    it was in fact a knee injury that caused Valencia to cancel the contract with Winston. he now will sign with Bologna.
    that's somehow interesting, because this kind of closes the circle to the move of Moss from Bologna to Siena as the replacement of Hairston.

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    Only saw the 2nd half today.

    De Colo was up and down after getting off the bench. Had a three, made a good drive and dish for an assist, had a nice steal. But also was up and down defensively plus had some stupid fouls. He fouled out of the game on some fouls that would make Ian shake his head.

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    As far as I'm concerned, Nando De Colo just became trade bait after today's performance against Canada.

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    Valencia faced Malaga in Spanish league playoffs. They lost 2-0 and Nando was horrible against Malaga guards who were relatively quick and athletic. There were especially a SG in Malaga that had a great series. His name: Gary Neal. It's certainly not a coincidence that Spurs have signed Neal and let De Colo in Europe.

    Nando heavily struggles to defend players with some quickness, size or strength. Given that the number of slow, unathletic and small guards in NBA, it's a huge problem. This weak defense isn't fully compensate by some great offense. He is too inconstant at that end of the court.

    Nando is the kind of player who can do very well in Euroleaque but who will struggle in NBA. He needs to seriously improve in some areas to become one day a good NBA player.

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    Plus he needs to work on the mental aspect of the game. A couple of examples from the 4th quarter of the game against Canada in the WCs: (1) losing his focus and allowing his man (Denham Brown) take a baseline out-of-bounds pass and waltz uncontested to the basket for a layup; (2) France leading by three in the last seconds of the game, Canada rebounded a France miss and Nando came over (after everyone else cleared out) and fouled, trying to reach to tie-up the ball. It stopped the clock and gave Canada 2 FTs.

    These are examples of a lack of mental focus and a need to play smart.

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    As far as I'm concerned, Nando De Colo just became trade bait after today's performance against Canada.
    So he had a good game, then? You don't bait your hook with something the fish won't eat.

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    So he had a good game, then? You don't bait your hook with something the fish won't eat.
    Yeah, they may have to add some bacon.

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    Plus he needs to work on the mental aspect of the game. A couple of examples from the 4th quarter of the game against Canada in the WCs: (1) losing his focus and allowing his man (Denham Brown) take a baseline out-of-bounds pass and waltz uncontested to the basket for a layup; (2) France leading by three in the last seconds of the game, Canada rebounded a France miss and Nando came over (after everyone else cleared out) and fouled, trying to reach to tie-up the ball. It stopped the clock and gave Canada 2 FTs.

    These are examples of a lack of mental focus and a need to play smart.
    I fully agree, his play in the last seconds of the game was pretty stupid.

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    I wonder if Nando didn't do his last foul on purpose to avoid a transition 3 point shot from Canada. With the FIBA 3 point line being so close (it's great that it will change), there are a lot of teams in Europe who always foul when they are up by 3 at the end of a game.

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    Judging by the expression on his face after he did it...I highly doubt he purposely fouled. He was actually trying to grab the ball away from him, or get a jump ball.

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    Judging by the expression on his face after he did it...I highly doubt he purposely fouled. He was actually trying to grab the ball away from him, or get a jump ball.
    There is no jump ball in FIBA. If you grab the ball when the opponent has it, the official will award it to you. Nando was clearly trying the ball back but it was so re ed.

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    There is no jump ball in FIBA. If you grab the ball when the opponent has it, the official will award it to you. Nando was clearly trying the ball back but it was so re ed.
    Jump ball situation/alternating possesion on a held ball.

    http://www.fibaamericas.com/files/in...03B2EFEF06.pdf

    April 2010
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    OFFICIAL BASKETBALL RULES 2010
    Rule Four - Playing regulations
    12.3 Jump ball situations
    A jump ball situation occurs when:
    - A held ball is called.
    ------------------------------------
    12.5 Alternating possession procedure
    12.5.1 In all jump ball situations teams will alternate possession of the ball for a throw-in at
    the place nearest to where the jump ball situation occurs.
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    That's some poor peformances by De Colo in the WC so far.

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    There is no jump ball in FIBA. If you grab the ball when the opponent has it, the official will award it to you. Nando was clearly trying the ball back but it was so re ed.
    In FIBA basket there is an arrow. It shows who will have possesion. There is a jumpball at the begining. Then arrow change direction every quater, every jump ball situation.

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    That's some poor peformances by De Colo in the WC so far.
    What little i saw of De Colo on this WC, he was really disappointing, one of the worst on the French team so far.

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    new teammate (former Spur) for De Colo:

    http://www.thehoopsmarket.com/news/p...ichardson.aspx
    Power Electronics Valencia signs Jeremy Richardson
    The former NBA player, last season in Aris, will replace Kennedy Winston in the Spanish team

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    Some news:
    Valencia is having an atrocious season so far. They are 1-3 in Euroleague and 1-6 in Spanish league. Their coach has been fired.
    Nando has started well the season with a couple of good games. He then has had a toe injury has been bad since he came back of that injury. Nando is nowhere near his last year level. With his poor games and Neal looking good, his future as a Spur doesn't look good.

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    Manuel Hussein was a big flop, seems as if Valencia now will go for a big name in Euro basketball.
    Svetislav Pesic, Bozidar Maljkovic, Panagiotis Giannakis have been mentioned.
    as far as I know Giannakis has never worked outside Greece.
    but he has quite a reputation when it comes to developing young players.

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    Some news:
    Valencia is having an atrocious season so far. They are 1-3 in Euroleague and 1-6 in Spanish league. Their coach has been fired.
    Nando has started well the season with a couple of good games. He then has had a toe injury has been bad since he came back of that injury. Nando is nowhere near his last year level. With his poor games and Neal looking good, his future as a Spur doesn't look good.
    Hopefully they'll be 1-4 in Euroleague after this week.

    I've seen some ACB games this year too and Nando plain sucks. It's still early, but i think it's safe to label him as a bust. He might still have a good Euro career, but he has to decide if he's a PG or SG, cause right now he's neither.

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    I don't think they can afford someone like Giannakis. I would think only the very richest clubs could afford his salary. Pesic might possibly be within their salary range because he has been out of coaching any top level clubs for a long time. As far as I know, Maljkovic is retired. So I would guess Pesic out of that group.
    I was also surprised to see Giannakis mentioned and yes, he was probably the best payed coach in Europe, when he worked for Olympiakos and the National team. Valencia doesn't have that kind of money. (and I don't see him leave Greece.)

    is Maljkovis really retired? he isn't that old. (health? other jobs?)

    I also think that Pesic is most realistic from that group. (and he is the best choice IMO). he still has a great reputation in Spain, even considering his greatest success is some years back. (he did also nice work in Girona 2007 though)

    Also, if it was Giannakis that would very possibly be bad for De Colo. You don't see the court for Giannakis unless you are a good defender.
    in general I do agree, that Giannakis demands defense from his players.
    but I was thinking mainly about Teodosic, when making my comment. (and Teodosic is as bad a defender as De Colo)
    I think there are quite some similarities between Teodosic and De Colo and the development of Teodosic might give an idea about De Colos potential.
    (which doesn't automatically imply NBA potential though. both might very likely be a better fit in Europe)

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    Pešič was named a new coach of Valencia

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