OK, what does that have to do with certain posters trying to use the "Gee is in the NBA, Malik is not" argument?
Indeed it is, 228. Thank you.
Indisputable proof that Neal is 6-2. Solid (or anyone doubting otherwise), just go to the 2:40 mark of this video...and eat your humble pie.
I think a better question is why would you even get into a debate about 2 players who are no longer in the NBA and better yet who have only a spec of NBA PT to show for between them?
Absolutely not true. If you pause the video at 2:41 Hill is closer to the camera, Neal standing behind. Yet, Neal's chin and eyes are higher than Hill's chin and eyes, even from farther away. You would have to back Hill up to where Neal is to get a better comparison. What's your point?
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It's a contract year, and I thought he had a buyout. Their buyouts are usually within reason for the last season, especially for a player in his salary range. I could be wrong, just going from memory.
Right now we need a SF, and the pickings are slim. He's got enough experience that he could conceivably step in as a backup fairly quickly. But, yeah, only if the buyout situation is there.
Larry Hughes or Ronald Murray?
If you watch the last couple of seconds, there's a shot from close to straight away and it's clear they're the same height. Maybe Neal is a quarter of an inch taller, obviously that's difficult to detect from the shots we're able to see. But he's definitely not 6-4.
Why bother arguing? Just admit you were wrong and move on. It's not the end of the world.
I think Ray Charles saw this coming.
I totally disagree with you and I will move on.
Nonsense. The shots absolutely point out that Hill and Neal are *NOT* the same height.
That is one of the worst images to compare the height of Neal and Hill that you could ever have. Basing your judgment that the two are the same height on that video is stupid.
From that picture George Hill is slouching. His head is about 1-4 feet closer to the camera, and his head is about an inch higher than Neal in the shot. Neal's shoulders are the same height as George Hill which would indicate Neal is just foreshortened but he could easily be about 1-2 inches taller than Hill.
Edit - at 2:42 look at how Hill's elbow is bent meaning there is a deceptively larger space in between Hill and Neal.
@ 2:45 Neal is closer to Hill in that his arm is now actually touching Hill, and Neal appears taller...
If Neal were a legit 6-4, he'd be listed at taller than 6-4.
Personally, I think Neal is really 6'7". That solves our SF problem AND puts the thread back on topic.
So who is bringing the water and towels now that Gee is done?
I agree with you that Pop isn't going to trade Hill.
My point is more general - I don't think Hill should be untouchable mainly because I don't really see what he offers us specifically. He forces us to play small. He can't run the offense. His confidence is always wavering. Pop puts him on the floor because he always has flashes of potential, but by putting him out there with other guards, he ends up guarding guys like Durant on occasion, which I think is sort of ridiculous. Does he do better than most in those situations? Probably. But I still think he's without a position. Which isn't a problem if he has something tangible that he contributes but every season he gets worse as he gets "better". I'm not sold on him. He is a real slow learner. Hopefully things click for him but more and more I'm becoming less sure he's going to be the player many think he will.
I think the team as is looking very good. If they could find a young quality combo forward who could guard the large/fast forwards in the league, I think we would be even better. That's all I'm saying.
God, what a bunch of slugs. Maybe we can find someone off the radar overseas (I hope!)A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm
Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache.
What about Ike Diogu?
Thanks. I was looking for that FA list.A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm
Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache.
I think your being too harsh on George. Being multi-dimensional isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you're decent at all of those things, which Hill is. He can handle either PG or SG with equal aplomb and has the tools to guard a variety of players effectively.
Besides, who else is going to provide all the things Hill does.. his inferior counterpart was already justly let go (Garret Temple). So... let's see who's left...Chris Quinn? Gary Neal? Matt Bonner?
Hill fills multiple roles on the team and quite effectively as I've already mentioned. Since he can play both guard positions effectively, he can spell both Parker or Manu, thereby keeping there minutes at a reasonable level during the season.
Atm, he's playing well IMO (aside from being in a minor shooting slump, at 36% currently from 47% last year). Despite this, he is getting to the line even more frequently than last year (giving the spurs a 4th guy who can consistently get to the line) and knocking in his free throws at a tremendous 90%+ clip. He's also averaging 3 dimes and a steal per game (which matches his production last year playing 6 less minutes/game.) He's not turning the ball over significantly either.
Hill's confidence will come as he accepts and grows into his new role as a 6th man, a role which I think he will excel at (ala Jason Terry, except better).
I vote to bring Hairston back.
What about Devean George? Good experience and decent defense with a decent shot.
Agreed.
I was no where near even slightly impressed by Gee.
How 'bout a bold prediction they keep it to 12? you know how tight HoltCat can be with the purse strings.
That or bring in Udoka.
F that. This hot girl I was dating left me for him 8 years ago, so I will never be able to root for this guy!
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