He's small.
And I bet Barcelona pays him a lot.
Next year Nachbar will be free. I hope we'll get him.
The problem is, we have to sign a player right now. And that player would ideally be a SF.
As for what he makes, I don't know for certain. I thought it was in the neighborhood of $1M, but I could be wrong. I think he would be a good addition, if he could be bought out. Barcelona knows he's looking at the NBA next season anyway.
The 3M figure in this short article is BS, but there's a reference to him making around 25% of that amount.
http://thehoopsmarket.blogspot.com/2...=Google+Reader
yes, but I thought we could fulfill that with a series of 5-day or 2 week contracts?
Nice eyes, Shoog.
Welcome back. You've been gone a while!Thanks, good to be back .
you bastagde!!I almost didn't recognize her with all the punctuation, capitalization, and correctly spelled words.
(it's spell check)
I'd take Hayes no problem.
God it's so strange to talk about Spurs being over the cap!
The other thing is, Mickeal wants out of Barca. I had to hunt to find this, but I basically the player and the team aren't happy with each other right now. They might be more open to a cash buyout than you think.
http://www.talkbasket.net/news/micke...ions-3188.html
That article is from June 23rd. If you scroll down the page, you will see a link from July 26th announcing an agreement between Mickeal and Barcelona for the 2010-11 season.
Buyouts and other obstacles aside, Mickeal would certainly want guaranteed money for the rest of the season to leave a secure situation in Barcelona. I think the Spurs will be looking to sign someone on a non-guaranteed deal.
don't know about a buy out clause. but Barca won't just let him go, no matter what his plans for next year are.
Barca is one of the top teams in Europe and for them only les count. Pete Mickeal is one of their starters and currently their top scorer.
but yes, he would be a nice signing, if there was a chance. (and considering Anderson was big enough to play back up SF, Mickeal would be as well. he should be about an inch taller than Anderson)
btw. Europe:
if the Spurs in fact look there to buy out a player (very small chance they go that route), Gelabale might be the more realistic option.
Lyon didn't survive the qualifying rounds of the Euroleague and they also had a bad start in the French league. (only 6 games played though)
they might be thinking about changes soon. and Gelabale might be looking for a better situation. I would be more than happy with Gelabale as back up SF.
all pure speculation on my side.
but fact is, whatever happens in Lyon, Spurs will know it first.
Read the other link I posted. (here... http://www.talkbasket.net/news/micke...ions-3188.html) Barca screwed him over, and things are not happy between player and team. There's another article that I can't find, but I get the feeling that both sides may be open to a deal.
You're right about the guaranteed money, though. But have you looked at the scrub list of available SF's? Mickeal is somewhat of a known quan y, and more than just a place holder to fill out the mandatory roster size. They're going to be paying somebody the league minimum to fill out the roster. That's the same as a guarantee, since they will spend the money no matter what.
It may not be possible to buy him out. But if they don't think out of the box, we're looking at a best case scenario of Ime Udoka.
I wouldn't agree that it's the same as a guarantee. If they sign someone to a non-guaranteed contract and the guy doesn't work out, they can can cut him and move on to the next player. If they sign someone to a guaranteed deal and he fails, now they have to pay two salaries.
In any event, Mickeal is too important for Barcelona to let him go and he's a 32 year old player who wasn't able to stick with an NBA team when he was much younger. There's really no basis to assume he'd be any better than Udoka/Hayes/Hassell as an NBA player today.
I saw him after he came back from the ACL, and he looked a little rough. I take it he made a complete comeback? If he's back to 100%, I'd be happy to see him as backup SF. Especially compared to the other options we appear to be looking at. I think if he had landed somewhere other than Seattle the first time around, he would have gotten more respect. He was definitely capable of some solid backup minutes.
I just hate the thought of picking up a player to fill out the roster size, when we're so thin at SF. I really hope they will go outside and find a player who can contribute. I don't like the idea of wearing guys out playing them out of position for a whole season.
Yeah, most (all?) of these players are really bad. There is a reason why they are without a team.
The SF signed will have to play some rotational minutes. I'm really curious to see who Spurs will sign and if this player will be good enough not to be a liability. Will they sign an expected player like Jarvis Hayes or do they have a surprise name?
Getting a player in Europe will be difficult. Players are under contracts and Spurs can sign on of them without negotiating a buyout with their team. Most teams won't let go a player, who is good enough to play in the NBA, for little or no money. For example, the previously mentioned Pete Mickael is unrealistic.
When given some minutes he has performed. Afterall, this is a 3rd string SF we are looking at.
From wiki:
In a December 7, 2008 Bucks loss to the L.A. Lakers, Alexander led the team in scoring with 15 points. Following the All-Star break, Alexander saw a streak of four consecutive games where he did not play. However, he rebounded in a loss to the Miami Heat by totaling 13 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in 20 minutes of playing time. He averaged 5.8 points for the month of January, the most of his rookie season in a month. In a March 30, 2009 win over the New Jersey Nets, Alexander scored a career high 16 points. Alexander finished the season averaging 4.7 points in his 12.1 minutes per game.
And at the end of his rookie season, after using the 8th overall pick in the 2008 draft to select him, the Bucks declined to pick up Alexander's option for a third year. IIRC, no player selected that high has ever had his initial rookie contract option declined. He was then traded during his second year to the Bulls, who had no interest in retaining him. Now in his third NBA season, he could do no better than a non-guaranteed contract from the Hornets who waived him without playing him a single minute.
Perhaps he is worth a flyer for some team as a project. He's clearly not ready to step in and play rotational minutes for the Spurs.
After 188 posts on this ridiculous speculation I bet Spurstalk fans are spending mucho more time on this than Pop and the Spurs FO.
After all, we are speculating on who will be the 13th player--essentially a ball boy at the practices--someone who might get 30 minutes of playing time for the season.
Get Green. He could be a lock down defender.
To be a lock down defender, you have to want it really badly. In preseason he didn't seem to want anything badly. No sense of urgency, even when his minutes were getting trimmed in favor of an undrafted rookie.
If he doesn't come in with a lot more want-to than he had in Cleveland, he's going to have a short stay.
Props to you, Bruno.
Bruno - do you remember when Mickeal first came to Spain and played for Breogan? They held up his salary, and wound up not paying him until the end of the season? He started to leave the team, and got a lot of bad comments from the Spanish media about how he was "only in it for the money"? He played out the season, to prove something about himself, but it left a really bad taste in his mouth.
From what I understand, this latest salary situation with Barca is really not going well. They gave him a small concession with the money, but didn't make him whole. He hasn't exactly been quiet about it, and things supposedly aren't getting any better between him and the team. I know he is really unhappy about it, and I think the team doesn't like the negative comments.
I thought the buyout might cost the Spurs the max that they can give a Euro team without counting against the cap - isn't it $500K? Maybe Barcelona won't let him go at any price, but it would be worth having a look. They will probably want him to play the remainder of the season, no matter what. But sometimes it's better just to part ways. Better to do that with $500K in your pocket than with nothing.
I'm just saying.
Nope, you're wrong.
Players often complains in Europe about not being paid enough, it's not a big deal there. Players often try to get salary raise unlike in NBA where contracts can't be renegotiated.
Barcelona is the best team in Europe with a lot of money. Mickael is one of their best player. They way rather keep him than getting $500K.
How can I put this, Bruno? I can say with 100% certainty that it is a big deal to him. You have contacts there? Ask.
He wasn't looking for a raise, he was looking to be made whole. Some of the blame should go to his agent. But you can say that the team took advantage, or you can say that they screwed him. Either way, it didn't go over well with Mickeal.
As for them keeping him rather than taking a buyout, you are probably right. My only point was that it is a possibility worth exploring.
Here - for the rest of you on SpursTalk who might be interested in how the money is sometimes handled in the Euro leagues. It's not the perfect world some people would like you to believe in.
This one is about not getting paid until the end of the season: http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/mickeal/2009/08/11/good-times-bad-times/
This one is about what happened to him in Barcelona. They didn't gross-up his contract for taxes, and they went from 24% with his old team to 42% with Barca. http://www.talkbasket.net/news/mickeal-i-will-not-continue-under-these-conditions-3188.html
And my only point is that it isn't a realistic option.
It's sure Spurs have nothing to lose at calling Mickael and Barcelona but the anwer will be that he isn't available.
You know a lot, Bruno - but you don't know every damn thing. Are there reasons why Barca might take a buyout for Mickeal? How about these:
The economy in Spain is going to in a handbasket. (Like Greece.)
The basketball team is part of the FC Barcelona family.
FC Barcelona has a net debt of 442 Million Euro, as of a June audit. Their management cites "structural defects".
FC Barcelona lost 79 Million Euro last year.
FC Barcelona didn't pay their players in June, and had to borrow money to pay salaries.
The basketball team's name sponsor, Regal, is an insurance company that is in trouble.
Regal is the Spanish subsidiary of Liberty Mutual. Liberty Mutual is suggesting that they drop their basketball sponsorship.
If Regal does pull out as sponsor, Barca will have immediate cash problems. It could happen at the end of this season.
The club's average attendance is about 5,800 per game, which is about half of teams like Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Barca is a money loser, and they can't automatically count on FC Barcelona to carry them anymore. Their 5,800 spectators per game isn't enough to justify the salaries they are carrying. Next year, they will have a smaller payroll.
Maybe you don't think it matters that they borrowed money to pay salaries, and that the economy got a lot worse after they took the loan. Maybe it's a French thing, because most people do think it matters.
Gee... maybe a $500K buyout, and getting rid of one big salary isn't totally out of the question.
It's nice to see you defending so hard your opinion.
Saying that, a couple of days ago, Barcelona, the basketball part, has added Joe Ingles to their team. To get him, they have given 425K€, that is to say $575K, to his former team. It's difficult to get a better proof than that that your theory about Barcelona and Mickael is wrong.
That's straight out of the timvp playbook.
Yep, it is even if timvp would have "Damn I hate you timvp for always being right".
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Alonzo Gee rejoins Wizards, Lester Hudson waived [UPDATED]
By Michael Lee
The Wizards have completed a somewhat startling reunion, as the team has brought back swingman Alonzo Gee, according to multiple league sources. In order to make the move possible, the Wizards waived reserve point guard Lester Hudson.
Ready for another Gee thing? (AP Photo) Gee spent part of last season with the Wizards, moving from a 10-day contract player to a starter, before making a surprising decision to bolt for San Antonio after his second 10-day contract expired. Gee averaged 7.4 points and 3 rebounds in 11 games and was well-liked by teammates and members of the coaching staff. Coach Flip Saunders was optimistic that Gee would stick around for the rest of the season after he scored a career-high 19 points in a game against Charlotte.
Gee decided to sign with the Spurs, who were familiar with the 6-foot-6 forward because Gee had spent most the year with San Antonio's Developmental League affiliate, the Austin Toros. The Wizards offered Gee an opportunity to stay for the rest of last season, but the Spurs won him over with the promise of some guaranteed money through this season. He was with the Spurs during the playoffs and participated in summer league.
San Antonio waived Gee last week, making him a free agent after he scored a total of two points in five games. The Wizards always remained high on Gee, who provides energy, hustle and intensity. He had 13 points and 10 rebounds in a game against Denver last March. Gee also is just 23 and fits with the team's rebuilding-with-youth efforts.
The Wizards had 15 players under contract, which means they would have to release someone. Hudson was on a non-guaranteed contract and struggled in his rare time on the court this season, going 0-for-9 from the field with two points and six assists in five games.
Gee received a non-guaranteed deal with the Wizards, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. The team would have until early January to determine whether or not to keep him for the rest of the season. The source added that Gee's signing is not related to the health of Josh Howard, who has yet to play this season while recovering from left knee surgery. Howard is still on schedule to come back some time in December.
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