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If Bonner is nailing his open 3's and stretching the defense then I dont have a problem with him out there, but once he goes cold...Pop should yank him.
bonner starting and ruining our chances of becoming better defensively, thats the logic behind my anger. we have so much potential in splitter as far as defense and pop turns into a chicken and is afraid to use splitter? what a pussy!
its really cause for concern because one thing i do know is bonners shots stop falling come playoff time, not to mention his best defense cant stop an average nba player and while my best interest is the spurs as a whole. i'd much rather have tiagos defense and post play than have bonners 3's when he allows just as many points to be scored on him making his minutes irrelevant and more of an illusion than anything. some people think questioning pop is stupid, let me tell you something you arent much of a man if your spoon fed daily
If Bonner is nailing his open 3's and stretching the defense then I dont have a problem with him out there, but once he goes cold...Pop should yank him.
Yeah, you're right, he'll get it either way. But it is worth a shot, at least in the regular season.
Bonner (and Blair) should never guard Gasol, though. McDyess, Splitter and Duncan (when Bynum is out and they shift Gasol to center) should be used against him.
I'm not crazy about him guarding Nowitzki either, but he can be the third defender against him, behind McDyess and Splitter.
Spurs aren't going to go anywhere if they can't find time for Splitter. unbelievable. they got a guy who's 25 and 6-11, talented, and he doesn't play.
it really is and whats even more unbelievable is our reporters are afraid to question pops ass, i would have no problem asking that man to explain the reasoning behind that. if he gave me a short answer i would say the fans think its really odd and ridiculous. put his ass on the spot if they know fans are pissed believe me pop will bend
Pop will bend?
WTF? What year did you start following the Spurs, 2006? 2007?
Well Him and Splitter make the same amount of $. So obviously they are paying there 4th or 5th big "that kind of money" to be an end of the bench player.
You really don't make alot of sense? Why would Pop be afraid to play Splitter? Pop will bring along Splitter slowly, just like he does with all rookies. Its November, not April. There will be quite a few mix and match lineups for a couple months until Pop finds a starting 5 and rotation he likes. Its unbelievable that you and others are already throwing out "Pop's an idiot" chants when the season is not even a month old and the Spurs are 9-1. Unbelieveable.
Would much rather give such opportunities to splitter, and im sure you'll agree.
Additionally, we know what bonner is ceiling is. At his consistent best hes going to space the floor and provide 3 shooting while giving good effort on defense but with no avail and a lack of rebounding.
We have yet to see the potential of Splitter and how good he can become (same applies to Blair.) In that sense I would still rather see Splitter given the minutes considering what hes potentially capable of.
Last edited by angelbelow; 11-18-2010 at 05:21 AM.
Why would any of them be expendable - especially considering the fact that the Fakers, Blazers and Mavs boast at least two 7-footers on the frontline and another on the bench? Besides, those 3 teams, along with the Jazz, will be the top compe ion in the conference. Got to be able to match up against them.
For the record, I agree that keeping Splitter glued to the bench isn't the answer. Pop has got to find minutes for him because they're going to especially need his contributions in the playoffs, when the game slows down and halfcourt p&R defense will be needed.
+1. Splitter will be a huge asset, but as you know Pop brings rookies along slowly. Also for this particular game, Duncan228 posted the fllowing article in another thread, http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...8&postcount=65 stating why Splitter got a DNP.
The bolded caveat really isn't true, at least for non-rookies or rookie veteran types.
If the infatuation with Bonner would be cir scribed to merely the regular season, this thread really wouldn't exist.
Dice is enough of a vet that he can be put on the Horry plan. He's not going to forget how to hit 18 footers and all the other little things between now and march. Kind of funny for all the years that Spurs nation has groaned at Pop playing mad scientist with the rotation for the first two months, he's got a stable rotation and 9-1 record so we demand he tinker immediately.
Honestly I like Bonner getting plenty of minutes and looks while Anderson is on the mend. The secret to success so far has been quality shooters staying aggressive.
Last year, the Spurs used 8 different starting line-ups in the first 11 games. This year, 10 games with the same line-up.
i am , and ill tell you why because pop has been dying to get his hands on splitter and while i do agree w/the whole easing him into the rotation theres no evidence to support pop doing that. his last game played he logged 8minutes the night before 15 the night before 10 min. last night NONE. so that tells you its not about conditioning theres something else there.
i guess im more worried than anything about the relationship between pop and splitter the whole reason splitter came to san antonio this year is because he fig. he would PLAY and he should! hes exactly what this team needs, all i know is if splitter gets in pops dog house he wont come out. when i say "bend" i mean having some accountability as a coach and last year is a good example. yes were 9-1 but why be happy with that when we could have splitter in the mix down low making us legit. were not legit with bonner i promise you that and you will see what im talking about when we face boston/lakers <-- were screwed if tiago isnt in the rotation by then you do know that right?
If you read this posted article by Duncan228( [url]http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4753558&postcount=65)posted[/url) in another thread, you might understand Pop's rationale in not playing Splitter last night. Makes sense to me. Understand also that Pop has not had the luxury he has this year in front court depth in several years. Relax this is November. As you probably know the NBA season is a marathon, not a sprint. Splitter will slowly work his way in to the rotation, probably even start some games. Until Pop proves me wrong, I will always trust his judgement on player personnel. Not to say Pop doesn't screw up, he does just like any other coach, but theres a reason that Pop is considered one of the best NBA coaches in the league. Have some faith.
They can both have an opportunity. It'll be a four big rotation. It goes without saying that Duncan and McDyess will be in it, Splitter should and probably will be in it, so that leaves one spot for Blair and Bonner.
This is not about ceiling; it's about the best fit and who is more likely to contribute to a championship this season. There's no question Blair has a much higher ceiling than Bonner and a season from now, when McDyess is retired, Blair is guaranteed to be in the playoff rotation. I'm just not sure now's the time.
I agree. I said as much in the "Something wrong with Splitter?" thread. But this doesn't have to be an either/or situation.
I for one would almost rather get Bonner to start (as Pop is ALWAYS going to play him at any case) and if he is hot and compe ive on defense the Spurs start well but please have someone else in there in the 4th and going down the wire in close game with Duncan - and unless that is Dice (or based on early results, Splitter) I do not have much faith right now against elite teams when it counts in close games.
Looks like Pop has his hands full with the front court rotation going forward. With Bonner going crazy from behind the arc, Blair's obvious struggles in the starting lineup, Splitters inexperience and Duncan and Dice' old legs how do you guys see our front court shaping up in the future?
I'm definitely a supporter of Splitter getting minutes and I understand Bonner is the least popular guy in a Spurs uniform, but the way he's shooting the ball I don't know if it's very smart to put him on the bench right now. Obviously starting Bonner the 2nd half tonight gave the big 3 more room to operate and helped spark that big 3rd quarter run. Blair has been playing better lately IMO but still doesn't seem to fit with the first unit guys.
Does Blair continue to start? Move Bonner in the SL?Is Splitter better off playing over Blair? Should be interesting to see where Pop goes with this.
Splitter needs to be developed and play better than a role player for the spurs to have a fighting chance against LA.
its matchups. if the opponent hs a pf that bonner cant handle they go with splitter sacraficing 3 point shooting.
In my opinion, Splitter slowly, but surely needs to get to the point where he starts and plays starter minutes. Ten games into the season, Blair doesn't look like a legit S5 player to me. Him and Bonner can be useful role players though, depending on whom the Spurs go against.
Barring injuries, this season Pop finally might be able to really cut down Tim's minutes - if Splitter can be as good on a consistent basis as he has been in his short stints so far.
The front court is not deep. Its the same weak frontline as last year with the exception of Splitter.
Agree about the ceiling part. This season it needs to be about a mixture of playing those we know can contribute and developing those with the potential to make us a championship team.
I do think Blair is improving each and every game but at a slow rate and is often still hurting our team. Too bad, his rebounding is reaching a beastly level again.
How many other teams have the front court rotation with the caliber of ours? Not going to look but im going to guess that there are maybe 5 or 6 teams.
Looks pretty clear that Bonner's gonna be starting pretty soon.
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