Quick Grades: Spurs vs. Bulls - Nov. 17

[Danny.Zhu]

He forces his defender to honor is 3 point shot, opening up the lanes for parker/ginobili to drive more easily and either score or dish back out (to him or others) for an open jump shot.

But, all this talk about "spacing" will probably fall on deaf ears when it comes to the Bonner haters on this board. They don't actually believe that Bonner helps to space the floor.

Dude, it's just regular season. In the play-offs before, Bonner can NOT make 3s. So he can NOT "space" the floor.

That said, I'm not against playing Bonner in the regular season because it can give Duncan some rest.

[jestersmash]

Dude, it's just regular season. In the play-offs before, Bonner can NOT make 3s. So he can NOT "space" the floor.

That said, I'm not against playing Bonner in the regular season because it can give Duncan some rest.

We're not in the playoffs; we're in the regular season and the goal right now is to win as many regular season games as possible.

Once Bonner starts "choking" 6 months from now in the playoffs, you can whine about him not spacing the floor.

Until then, it's meaningless to keep bringing up past performances. If he choked in the past - he choked in the past. The fact remains, however, that he's helping to space the floor by virtue of his 3P% and it's helping the spurs win games here and now. Your sentiments about him choking in past playoffs are irrelevant to the here and now.

[UnWantedTheory]

If Bonner is getting out-rebounded by his own teammates, it's not a big deal.

When Bonner fails to box out the opposing team and gives up too many offensive rebounds, that's when you penalize him.

[SenorSpur]

If Bonner is getting out-rebounded by his own teammates, it's not a big deal.

When Bonner fails to box out the opposing team and gives up too many offensive rebounds, that's when you penalize him.

[Obstructed_View]

Dejuan Blair was total and complete while he was on the floor. He didn't box out, he didn't compete, he didn't challenge shots. , he didn't even put up his hands much of the time. He was awful. Gary Neal missed his threes, but he penetrated and scored, which helped keep the Spurs from getting jumper happy, and he absolutely fought on defense. The two players' grades shouldn't be anywhere near each other.

[Death In June]

How ironic.

You're saying that sensational headlines/news stories don't garner more attention?

There's a media frenzy about Parker-Eva at this moment. I'm suggesting that having hyperlinks to the tony-eva breakup in other threads can only help to promote more hits to sanantoniodispatch.

Are you suggesting the opposite?

I don't appreciate the personal attacks. Calling it a "dumb comment" makes you come off as elitist and immature. Why don't you actually explain your position next time in a more thoughtful and sincere manner?

That would mean he'd have to pass on an opportunity to be a prissy .

[JWest596]

That third quarter was absolutely brilliant to watch. It was energizing and fun. I can't recall being this entertained and engaged by a Spurs team in a long while, so I really enjoyed this game.

The fourth was more of a nail-biter, but they pulled it out, and that was the important thing.

No kidding on the third quarter, a thing of beauty. The future I hope. I was thinking....whoa this is lock down kick ass take names Spurs basketball...

I likey. A lot.

[thispego]

If Bonner is getting out-rebounded by his own teammates, it's not a big deal.

When Bonner fails to box out the opposing team and gives up too many offensive rebounds, that's when you penalize him.

also bonner is out on the perimeter on offense, significantly reducing his chance for an OR as a big man. His rebound #'s are supposed to be guard-like, with the role he plays

[pad300]

also bonner is out on the perimeter on offense, significantly reducing his chance for an OR as a big man. His rebound #'s are supposed to be guard-like, with the role he plays

Yeah, but the majority of rebounds are defensive, and on defense he plays a big man's role. He doesn't get defensive rebounds either...

[TDMVPDPOY]

if neal continues to have good games like this, where does that leave anderson when he comes back

even blairs minutes could be eaten up by splitter if he doesnt watch out...

unless pop continue to limit duncans minutes....

[Budkin]

Such a satisfying win. This team could do big things this year.

[TJastal]

Dejuan Blair was total and complete while he was on the floor. He didn't box out, he didn't compete, he didn't challenge shots. , he didn't even put up his hands much of the time. He was awful. Gary Neal missed his threes, but he penetrated and scored, which helped keep the Spurs from getting jumper happy, and he absolutely fought on defense. The two players' grades shouldn't be anywhere near each other.

I thought Blair was very active on the boards and even had a nice rebound put back. He also saved two posessions for the spurs by causing deflections off bulls' players going for rebounds.

Not bad for 10 minutes of work. I love the idea of Blair starting the game, and then having someone else start the 2nd half (either Bonner or Splitter preferably) I hope Pop makes this his normal rotation.

[thispego]

Yeah, but the majority of rebounds are defensive, and on defense he plays a big man's role. He doesn't get defensive rebounds either...

yeah well not last night, but he got 4 and 5 in the two games previous to that. I know he's averaging just under 3 a game, but if he could average around 4 or 5 AND continue doing what he is doing everywhere else on the court, then i dont see how anyone could complain about Bonner this year.

[TJastal]

My grades.

Tony Parker: A-. Another vintage TP game. Played active on defense and closed out well on shooters. Got sloppy with turnovers and a few missed free throws and missed a perfect score.

Manu Ginobili: A-. Pretty much the same as Parker. A few sloppy passes and missed free throws, otherwise was brilliant shooting the ball and taking the ball to the rack, looks rejuvenated this year.

Dejuan Blair: B. Boarded well, made some hustle plays to garner a few extra possessions, but couldn't score on the bulls frontline, got seriously swatted by Taj Gibson trying to post up. Needs to work on some better post moves.

Tim Duncan: A. Best game of the season for Timmy IMO. Battled Noah all night for rebounds and won almost every battle. Passed the ball brilliantly. Could have scored 25 if he'd have made all the shots he normally makes. Defensively was a beast tonight as well.

Antonio McDyess: A-. Dominant on the boards. Made a few slick passes and had a monstrous dunk. Made several energy/hustle plays to save possessions or start fast breaks for the spurs. Had one lapse in the 4th quarter where he got sloppy with pick setting, and had a 3 second call.

George Hill: A-. Best game of the year for Hill. Didn't force up shots tonight, took what was there, and should have had a pair 4 pt plays if the refs hadn't screwed him over on the second one. Played good defense, had a few mental lapses but nothing major. Missed 2 free throws, like everyone else. Really helped keep the lead in the 4th quarter when the bulls were knocking on the door thanks to Popovich's ty decision to play micro ball.

Gary Neal: B-. Missed badly on several open 3's, but compensated with some nice driving floaters. Defense wasn't great, missed rotations and guys blew by him with ease. Seems to have become Pop's favorite small ball guard.

Matt Bonner: C+. Made some nice 3's and assisted another one to RJ, but defensively was horrible IMO. His rotations were always late, and was super lucky the bulls couldn't make him pay the price. Had a few decent defensive plays against scrubs, but otherwise was abused in the paint, especially on the boards. +/- was inflated by being in almost the whole 3rd quarter when the spurs were playing awesome and the bulls were playing flatter than Joakim Noah's free throws.

Richard Jefferson: B+. Not up to his usual standards, his shot and follow through is starting to look like last year's which resulted in < 30% shooting from long range. Made some brilliant moves in the fast break however to get to the foul line where he was the only spur not to miss all night. Was aggressive going to the basket and created contact.

[Spurs Brazil]

Very good win

TP and Manu were great. TD is playing solid D

Bonner with another nice game

[Manudona]

Matt Bonner: C+. +/- was inflated by being in almost the whole 3rd quarter when the spurs were playing awesome and the bulls were playing flatter than Joakim Noah's free throws.
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And you are sure that Bonner was not the cause of the 3rd quarter awesomeness? Why do you think Pop put him to start the 3rd quarter? I would like to believe that Bonner was part of Pop's game plan which worked marvelously. How many teams would play that awesome with the same four players that were stinking the place in the first half and then start kicking assess when a scrub came in.

Also, and last, when +/- favors Manu, Tony or Tim some people drool at such stat, but when Bonner gets it (mind you is not only once in a while, it is pretty consistent) then it is either inflated, meaningless or both (this last comment not directed to you in particular, as I do not keep track of who says what.)

[TJastal]

And you are sure that Bonner was not the cause of the 3rd quarter awesomeness? Why do you think Pop put him to start the 3rd quarter? I would like to believe that Bonner was part of Pop's game plan which worked marvelously. How many teams would play that awesome with the same four players that were stinking the place in the first half and then start kicking assess when a scrub came in.

Also, and last, when +/- favors Manu, Tony or Tim some people drool at such stat, but when Bonner gets it (mind you is not only once in a while, it is pretty consistent) then it is either inflated, meaningless or both (this last comment not directed to you in particular, as I do not keep track of who says what.)

Bonner was fortunate last night to play almost the entire 3rd quarter where the bulls were playing like complete garbage. They went at Bonner repeatedly on the Rose/Deng P&R, but Deng couldn't make a single wide open 3pt shot. Bonner's defense was terrible IMO and the bulls couldn't capitalize. With this kind of defense, I guarantee Bonner is going to get lit up like a xmas tree eventually and the spurs will lose because of it.

[ChuckD]

Dude, it's just regular season. In the play-offs before, Bonner can NOT make 3s. So he can NOT "space" the floor.

That said, I'm not against playing Bonner in the regular season because it can give Duncan some rest.

Bonner shot 43% overall, and 37% from downtown in the playoffs last year. He was not the problem.

[Manufan909]

Richard Jefferson: B+. Not up to his usual standards, his shot and follow through is starting to look like last year's which resulted in < 30% shooting from long range. Made some brilliant moves in the fast break however to get to the foul line where he was the only spur not to miss all night. Was aggressive going to the basket and created contact.

I hope last night was a fluke, and he goes back to shooting like he did in the first 5 games.

[intlspurshk]

The time invested on Bonner should be well invested in Tiago or Blair. These are guys to play in the playoff for big minutes and they need to play regular season games to gain enough experience and learn the defense system. It's basically no hope for Bonner to work well on defense and his presence, other than hitting 3pt, disrupt the team defense (can't rebound, slow rotation, easy foul, etc) The only contribution from him is the spacing he could create in regular season games and save Tim's effort on the offensive end. Nevertheless, the team has better 3 pts shooters this year and once Anderson is back with good health, his minutes should be reduced. We all know what Bonner can do against other teams when they tighten the defenses and impose pressure on him. If he likes SJax, who can make love with pressure, that's fine. However, the truth is he can't and we all know what Phil's strategy on Bonner whenever SPURS meet Fakers and it works everytime. If SPURS are ok with being regular season elite team and enjoy Bonner to lead the league in 3pts shooting, that's ok. If SPURS want to move further in the playoff games, they have to rebuild their suffocating defense, they have to use Tiago and Blair more, even at the expenses losing some regular games.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Spurs will have a hard time building a "suffocating defense" with Blair on the court..he's probably a top 5-10 worst defensive player in the NBA among big men..he makes Bonner look like Olajuwon from a defensive standpoint IMO..

They wouldn't be able to do it with Bonner either, but I find it funny that people are using Bonner's defense against him in arguments in favor of Blair..

[jestersmash]

The Spurs will have a hard time building a "suffocating defense" with Blair on the court..he's probably a top 5-10 worst defensive player in the NBA among big men..he makes Bonner look like Olajuwon from a defensive standpoint IMO..

They wouldn't be able to do it with Bonner either, but I find it funny that people are using Bonner's defense against him in arguments in favor of Blair..

I don't know if I'd go that far. Both of their abilities to guard the paint are egregiously lacking - there's no question about that.

At the end of the day, it's nice to have both options. We may face teams who are incapable of punishing Bonner and Blair's serious flaws on defense, in which case Bonner's benefit of spreading the floor (and Blair's benefit of....???) during offensive possessions may outweigh his defensive deficits.

When that balance is disrupted, it'll be nice to have a more robust interior presence in the form of Splitter. It might pack up the paint more during offensive possessions, but as long as the benefit of a sturdier defense outweighs this new deficit, it'll obviously be to the spurs advantage.

For me, the only pressing issue right now is getting Splitter some hands on experience.

My guess is we'll need to wait for a team that can truly exploit Bonner and Blair's deficiencies before we see Splitter getting consistent minutes. With a 9-1 record, we just haven't seen this so far.

[Darkwaters]

The Spurs will have a hard time building a "suffocating defense" with Blair on the court..he's probably a top 5-10 worst defensive player in the NBA among big men..he makes Bonner look like Olajuwon from a defensive standpoint IMO..

They wouldn't be able to do it with Bonner either, but I find it funny that people are using Bonner's defense against him in arguments in favor of Blair..

Well, the one nice asset that Blair has on the defensive end, which Bonner doesn't, is his ability to grab rebounds. A defensive rebound ends a possession and gets the Spurs offense going again. Blair hasn't been as stellar here as last year, but hes looked much better the last few games. Bonner just looks like crap in this respect.

Still, a made shot doesn't require a rebound, and Blair has looked like the bigman version of Steve Nash on defense. Neither of them is great.

[Obstructed_View]

And you are sure that Bonner was not the cause of the 3rd quarter awesomeness?

Yes.

[vander]

bonner was the cause, everyone should be able to see that by now, it's been going on for years.
but in that 3rd quarter, he could have ruined everything with his complete indifference towards protecting the offensive glass, at least 5 times he just stood and casually watched as a bull came from further out than he for the offensive rebound. and he obviously had no respect for Deng's 3 point shooting ability, since he also refused rotate back to him at the 3 point line.