Terror detainee largely acquitted

[ChumpDumper]

What a bunch of ups we have in here. This is not tv's Perry Mason, Mattlock or whatever delusional world some of you guys live in. This is not a game nor should be some political game you chose sides to be on. This guy helped kill over 200 people. Some seem to miss that entire point .

Some of you creeps are worried about some massive killer rights just makes me sick. He gave them up. This is the dude who blew people up. He gets nothing. Most people and I mean like 95% of the world would ing destroy this guy right there on the spot. Barry is a ing prick and decided to waste a bunch more money and show the world just how ing dumb he really is.

Barry puts him on a civilian trial where the laws are bit different. Civilians deciding what obvious is a military matter. ing crazy ass mother ing civilians. The guy blew up a freaken US embassy in Africa killing hundreds of people from all around the world and one dude on the jury decides this guys fate and says he is innocent. That's it. I would say I was shocked but this what we said would happen if you put some freaks fate in the hands of 10-12 random people plucked from thin air.

One freaken guy and some of you are cool with this. In fact some of you freaken love it.The terrorist is found guilty on 1 freaken charge out of hundreds and some of you jump up and down as if justice was served. Some of you want to blast Bush, our military, our laws, our politics but defend a murderer. ing sad.

Nice meltdown, jack.

Too bad trying such cases in federal courts has been normal practice, with a very high success rate. The only thing you are actually angry about is the inadmissibility of evidence gained through torture.

Your legal argument is less than compelling, counselor.

[ElNono]

That's how the criminal system of justice works jack. You need to prove what you allege. And you need to do it without coercing people to say what you want them to say, instead of saying what they really know. If you rather live in an authoritarian country with kangaroo courts, China will always have room for the likes of you.

The kind of judicial transparency displayed in this case is what gives this country the moral high ground to claim to be the good guys. Because you might want to call it collateral or whatever else, but the life of thousands of innocent people were ended in the name of being the good guys getting rid of the bad guys.

But that you don't think about. You spend your time thinking about those sleazy moslems daring to threaten your couch, beer and big screen TV lifestyle. There's nothing to prove, they're the bad guys because the government says so.

Which is actually ironic, if not flat out hilarious.

The same government you rail against that's incapable of doing anything right is the same government you're advocating to trust when it comes to identifying who the bad guys are. That's just goes to show the depth of your analysis of this situation.

[jack sommerset]

You guys are a riot. You care more about how a terrorist is treated than the people they kill. In this case, the hundreds of people he murdered in cold blood. Innocent people from all over the world. You fools want to make the arguement that this guy was tortured, that the USA is bad. I could careless if he was but in this case, this terrorist, they didn't do to him. All the evidence points to him killing all those people. He was found guilty for blowing up the building but who gives a about the people in the there he killed. Lets pretend blowing up a building has nothing to do with killing hundreds of folks inside.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of you guys want the guy set free. It does sound like you want the USA punished for having kept this terrorist in Gitmo forgetting he is a mass murderer. 3 people were so called tortured at Gitmo. He wasn't one of them.

They got the right guy. You do know that. 20 years is nothing for what he did. Thats 30 days a life he helped kill. I hope we are all together in 10-15 years when he walks out on more trumped up bull then and only then some of you will admit this was a bad idea. Lets hope when he does get out, he doesn't do this again.

[ElNono]

All the evidence points to him killing all those people.

What evidence is that, jack?

[ElNono]

And BTW, the go free or not free matters, but the means in which you get there also matters.
It's not just the end that's important, but also the means.

All I wish is that he got a fair trial and that he's being convicted based on solid, factual evidence. In other words, that justice has been served.

[ChumpDumper]

You guys are a riot. You care more about how a terrorist is treated than the people they kill. In this case, the hundreds of people he murdered in cold blood. Innocent people from all over the world. You fools want to make the arguement that this guy was tortured, that the USA is bad. I could careless if he was but in this case, this terrorist, they didn't do to him. All the evidence points to him killing all those people.

Thanks for showing you have no understanding of the case or any reading comprehension skills. No one asserted the defendant himself was tortured.

He was found guilty for blowing up the building but who gives a about the people in the there he killed. Lets pretend blowing up a building has nothing to do with killing hundreds of folks inside.

Thanks for showing you don't know the burden of proof required in murder cases.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of you guys want the guy set free. It does sound like you want the USA punished for having kept this terrorist in Gitmo forgetting he is a mass murderer. 3 people were so called tortured at Gitmo. He wasn't one of them.

Thanks again for proving you have absolutely no understanding of what is being discussed here and are only venting your female hysterics in between your gay male fantasies.

They got the right guy. You do know that. 20 years is nothing for what he did.

Thanks for confirming your ignorance of the possible sentence.

I hope we are all together in 10-15 years when he walks out on more trumped up bull then and only then some of you will admit this was a bad idea. Lets hope when he does get out, he doesn't do this again.

I hope you will have come out by then and have a nice man in your life.

[jack sommerset]

Thanks for being you.

[jack sommerset]

What evidence is that, jack?

That's rich. He was found guilty for blowing up the building. I guess you think they were all killed by natural causes. You guys should stop being so ing stupid.

[ElNono]

That's rich. He was found guilty for blowing up the building. I guess you think they were all killed by natural causes. You guys should stop being so ing stupid.

He was acquitted of the murder charges. Do you have evidence that they jury didn't?

[CosmicCowboy]

He was acquitted of the murder charges. Do you have evidence that they jury didn't?

Are you not familiar with the case as far as what was and was not technically allowed into evidence?

[LnGrrrR]

So, CC, do you think that courts should start allowing evidence obtained by torture? Witness testimony? Where should we draw the line?

Also, surprisingly no comment about the military attorneys that have quit due to the setup of the military tribunals.

[jack sommerset]

He was acquitted of the murder charges. Do you have evidence that they jury didn't?

No need for anymore evidence genius. He helped blow up a building, there are people in the building, they died. He is a murderer. You're insane to think any different.

You are happy he got a fair trial is disingenuous. I firmly believe you know this guy murdered those people. I also believe you are glad he is in jail. I also believe you are happy he got away with the verdict of murder because he was held in gitmo. I also believe this is politically driven or trolling on your part. I also believe you are being naive that he will never get out of jail because of that ridiculously insane verdict.

It's disturbing you want to argue that he did not murder those people. Those people were innocent and died for no reason but for your own political agenda or trolling you don't want to admit that America got the right guy. Your fair trial found the guy guilty of blowing up a building with hundreds of people dying because of it. But you don't want to connect this fact. You want to be a dildo and play stupid. Those poor people and their families and friends should have justice. That justice should have been a guilty verdict for the senseless killing of those people and not just blowing up the building that lead to thier violent deaths.

[CosmicCowboy]

So, CC, do you think that courts should start allowing evidence obtained by torture? Witness testimony? Where should we draw the line?

Also, surprisingly no comment about the military attorneys that have quit due to the setup of the military tribunals.

I think that that the pendulum has swung a little too far to the left as far as what is and is not admissible in civil trials.

As for the military attorneys I don't have enough facts to decide right/wrong. Just because they were "military" attorneys it doesn't mean they didn't have a political ax to grind.

[LnGrrrR]

No need for anymore evidence genius. He helped blow up a building, there are people in the building, they died. He is a murderer. You're insane to think any different.

Shouldn't you be complaining then about the juror who thought otherwise?

You are happy he got a fair trial is disingenuous. I firmly believe you know this guy murdered those people. I also believe you are glad he is in jail. I also believe you are happy he got away with the verdict of murder because he was held in gitmo. I also believe this is politically driven or trolling on your part. I also believe you are being naive that he will never get out of jail because of that ridiculously insane verdict.

Jack, has anyone here said that they're happy about that? What about people like child rapists that get off because the police screwed up?

No one likes that. However, we understand that we must abide by the rule of law... that's the only fair way to do it.

You want to change the law for this case, but you can't just do that. You can't pick and choose where to apply the rules. It has to be across the board.

Our court system is set up so that if you're accused of something like murder, then the evidence better be very solid.

As Benjamin Franklin said, it is better to let 5 guilty men go free, then imprison one innocent.

Does that mean that sometimes people that are guilty slip through the cracks? Sure does, and it sucks. But that's the best way to ensure that we prevent tyranny, by ensuring strict demands on the prosecutors in our legal system.

[jack sommerset]

Shouldn't you be complaining then about the juror who thought otherwise?

I have and much more concerning the civilian trial

Jack, has anyone here said that they're happy about that? What about people like child rapists that get off because the police screwed up?

No one likes that. However, we understand that we must abide by the rule of law... that's the only fair way to do it.

You want to change the law for this case, but you can't just do that. You can't pick and choose where to apply the rules. It has to be across the board.

Our court system is set up so that if you're accused of something like murder, then the evidence better be very solid.

As Benjamin Franklin said, it is better to let 5 guilty men go free, then imprison one innocent.

Does that mean that sometimes people that are guilty slip through the cracks? Sure does, and it sucks. But that's the best way to ensure that we prevent tyranny, by ensuring strict demands on the prosecutors in our legal system.

Sorry buddy, they got the right guy. I'll just repeat myself if I continue.

[LnGrrrR]

Sorry buddy, they got the right guy. I'll just repeat myself if I continue.

They probably did. And it sucks that they couldn't prove it enough for all the jury to find him guilty.

But that's the way the world works. Innocent people sometimes get jailed, and lots of guilty people go free. It sucks, but you can't change the system without screwing up a uva lot more.

[ElNono]

Are you not familiar with the case as far as what was and was not technically allowed into evidence?

Yes, and pointed it out earlier.

[z0sa]

What a joke.

[Winehole23]

What joke?

[MannyIsGod]

Sorry buddy, they got the right guy. I'll just repeat myself if I continue.

Reaffirming your idiocy was never a roadblock for you before.

[ChumpDumper]

So, CC, do you think that courts should start allowing evidence obtained by torture?

I think that that the pendulum has swung a little too far to the left as far as what is and is not admissible in civil trials.

So you long for the days when evidence obtained by torture was admitted into civil trials?

When was that?

[ChumpDumper]

You are happy he got a fair trial is disingenuous. I firmly believe you know this guy murdered those people. I also believe you are glad he is in jail. I also believe you are happy he got away with the verdict of murder because he was held in gitmo. I also believe this is politically driven or trolling on your part. I also believe you are being naive that he will never get out of jail because of that ridiculously insane verdict.

You are aware that he could have been imprisoned indefinitely even if he had been acquitted of all charges, right?

No, you aren't.

Did you have a similar meltdown when detainees tried in military courts were acquitted and actually set free by the military?

No, you weren't. Your meltdowns are politically motivated.

[ElNono]

No need for anymore evidence genius. He helped blow up a building, there are people in the building, they died. He is a murderer. You're insane to think any different.

It's not me jack. It's the law. That's why there are a mul ude of charges for cases like this one: first degree murder, second degree murder, accessory to murder, etc.

He was tried, evidence presented, he had a chance to defend himself, and finally a decision was made by an independent jury.

Again, it's the means that's just as important as the end result.

[ElNono]

And I didn't argue that he didn't murder those people. I argued that I did not see the evidence on murder charges and neither did you.

An independent jury did and they concluded whatever they concluded looking at it.

You're not the first person not to like a verdict. You probably won't be the last either.

[jack sommerset]

You are aware that he could have been imprisoned indefinitely even if he had been acquitted of all charges, right?

No, you aren't.

Did you have a similar meltdown when detainees tried in military courts were acquitted and actually set free by the military?

No, you weren't. Your meltdowns are politically motivated.

Your sexuality is not. That's the good news.

You're a got and a butthurt one at that. ElNoNo is a big boy, perhaps thats why you run to his side. You like the chubbys.