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Bring it on!
South was conducting live-fire arty practice offshore in some disputed waters. North said that was unacceptable, and that they would do something about it.
South did it anyways, mostly because they are still HIGHLY pissed at North Korea's sinking of one of their naval vessels a few months back.
Article about the ship, later found to have been sunk by NK torpedo:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62P30E20100326
Bring it on!
Whaaat? Manny is THE Oracle of all things. The omnipotent one.... the knower of all things... the wisest of the wise! The bringer of knowledge and wisdom... the lone voice of reason in a mad, mad world..... bwahahahahahaha!I like how you always jump in the middle of issues like your the expert on the subject.
You are the expert on a lot of subjects it seems.
And? How does any of that make what I said false? You're sitting here advocating total war in that area and its beyond ridiculous. like this has happened for the past 60 years there.
You're not the first butthurt poster to post something like this. Its not really that I'm that smart, its that some of you are just that dumb. In any event, when I post something you should prove me wrong instead of crying like such a butthurt little .Whaaat? Manny is THE Oracle of all things. The omnipotent one.... the knower of all things... the wisest of the wise! The bringer of knowledge and wisdom... the lone voice of reason in a mad, mad world..... bwahahahahahaha!
all of korea would be gone. itd be bikini isle. millions would die, no doubt.
No . But Soul Patch thinks the South should just go in and wipe them out. Because you know, thats how rolls in Call of Duty NORTH KOREA. Nevermind that even without nuclear weapons the North could pretty much do the same to a lot of South Korea and all of Seoul.
No one wins in a war there.
Plus all Samsung products would no longer have customer support.
I kid I kid, but seriously something has to be done. The north was doing small stupid and got away with it and then kept doing more riskier and finally this crap, they seem to think they are untouchable. At some point has to be done and I know it will not end well but its heading that way sooner or later.
I must say, I don't know much about Kim Jong's son...is he cut from the same cloth or is he more open to changing the North Korean mindset?
How is Handy Manny not in charge of our military strategy? What a bright military mind wasted on being the spurstalk know it all.
I'm guessing if Mexico started s ing South Texas you would advocate what? Just ducking and asking them to stop?
Thats the point. They ARE untouchable for all intents and purposes. They do like this ALL the time. Don't take my word for it, research the history of the region since the Korean War or ask someone who's served on the DMZ.
They've got Seoul by the balls and unless South Korea picks up its capital and moves it out of range of the NK's artillery thats not going to change very quickly.
You think the situation in North Korea can be analogous to a hypothetical US Mexico conflict that you made up in your head?
Are Mexico and the US of the same heritage? Does the US have the majority of its population in the gunsights of Mexican Artillery? Does Mexico have nuclear weapons or chemical and biological for that matter? Is Mexico supported by a country that is the only one that can rival the US?
Don't get all butt hurt because you said something completely stupid and continue to dig your hole deeper.
10 million people live in Seoul and its well within North Korean artillery. Without using nukes or chemical weapons that city could be destroyed in hours just by the s ing.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...2962680917.101The top US commander in South Korea said on Wednesday that North Korea has the world's largest artillery force and could rain fire on Seoul should the communist state decide to provoke all-out conflict.
General Walter Sharp's comments came amid rising tensions on the peninsula.
Last Saturday the North's military reminded South Korea that its densely populated capital is "only 50 km away" from the border.
Sharp, commander of some 28,500 US troops in South Korea, said the North has "an old but very large military that is positioned in a very dangerous place, very close" to South Korea.
"They have a very large special operating force. It has the world's largest artillery force that is positioned as far south as possible and that can rain on Seoul today," he told local business leaders.
The North maintains 80,000 special forces and is believed to have some 13,000 artillery pieces deployed along the border, Sharp said.
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/se...erability.htmlSEOUL -- When the U.S. military tries to explain the difficulty of using force to stop North Korea's development of nuclear weapons, the oddly poetic phrase it turns to is the "tyranny of proximity."
The phrase, which has been in the lexicon of the U.S. forces in South Korea for years, stems from the imposing array of conventional artillery that the North Koreans have dug into the hills just north of the demilitarized zone, a mere 30 miles from this capital city of 12 million. The nightmare scenario is that if the United States opts for a more forceful approach to curb North Korea's nuclear ambitions, the communist regime would retaliate not only against the 38,000 American troops stationed in South Korea, but also against South Korea itself.
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LoL@Manny
Remember that techinically, there is still a war on in Korea. It has been, essentially, a long truce.
SK knows that the capital would likely be the first to go, and has planned accordingly.
Although there have been the odd cross-border pot shots and shootdowns of planes, this latest bit is actually the most serious violation of that ceasefire since they stopped actively shooting at each other.
These people have been preparing for this for over half a century.
As you pointed out, it would be... bad, to put it mildlly.
It would cause a massive amount of damage, but US technological edge and the raw power of the SK economy relative to the North's would end it fairly quickly, within a month or so.
There is no doubt that SK would win, but it is doubtful the Chinese would be all to happy about it. The chances for the redux of the war in the 1950's would be fairly high.
That said, the Chinese would not let it get that far, and would act rather forcefully to stop any conflict.
I should know the career student and online poker player would be the most educated about Korean politics. After spending the better part of your life in school, it only makes sense.
So what do you advocate Manny? Seriously, what is your solution to deal with military aggression? Let em keep s ing, and hopefully they get bored and stop? Let's say your family just got their home s ed and your kid was missing an arm in the hospital this afternoon. Would you just say, "oh darn that crazy guy, sorry my house was in the way of his artillery s s!"
I'll come to Manny's defense here. He's pretty much spot on. I served there while in the Army and unless you're looking for casualties in 100s of thousands, you just don't want anything to go down.
I certainly have no doubt US/ROK forces would win, but you're talking about the largest conventional showdown since WW2, and probably the largest amount of civilian casualties/refugees since WW2 as well. Manny said 10 million live in Seoul, well, the metro area holds approx half the population of SK, 20+ million people, all of whom would be within range of NKPA artillery.
Imagine, if you will, roughly 1.7+ million troops facing off against each other in an area about half the size of California, with double the population of Cali (when taking both NK and SK populations into consideration). It would be nothing short of cataclysmic for a full war to break out, for the peninsula as well as the region.
And yes, most of you calling for a full retaliatory strike are complete dumbasses
Manny, you are correct... North Korea could decimate Seoul with conventional weapons in a matter of hours.... which is why I am sure EVERY contingency plan of the Korean military and of the United States accounts for this. You are sorely mistaken if you think that the geographical location of Seoul will prevent South Korea and it's allies from exploring every option on the table, including full military retaliation.
You are ignorant to think that Seoul is held at the whim of North Korea. A few well placed tactical nuclear weapons and North Korea becomes Seoul's little red headed . And yes.... if Seoul is being decimated, don't think for one second that the U.S. will not deploy tactical nukes.... and they will do so in spite of China or Russia and with the full backing of the UN and NATO.
While, i think full on retaliatory strikes are probably a bit of an overreaction (today), what exactly do you recommend when another country deliberately attacks yours? I don't doubt for a second that it would be a terrible conclusion, resulting in catastrophic amounts of lives lost...but where do you draw the line with this guy? As has been stated before, you can be certain both South Korea and the US have contingency plans in place for this, as NK has been a ticking time bomb for decades now. Im not a war hawk by any means...far from it...but when you are attacked directly, i think that is the line for me, personally.
This isn't some show of force, lets lob a few s s against a mountain side to get em scrambling. This was a s ing of a populated area that resulted in casualties. This was most definitely an unprecedented escalation, not just a routine thing.
Luckily i'm not in charge, and luckily neither is anyone here. I'm sure there are much brighter minds that will know what the right thing to do is. While i really don't want to see all out war, i think SK has ever right to bring them what they have been wanting for ages. I think their people are starting to agree as well.
Why the would the US use nuclear weapons that close to China and Japan and Russia? You're out of your god damn mind.
Of course Seoul is held at the whim of North Korea. North Korea is the one ing with South Korea constantly and yet there hasn't been war because of this. Seoul is held hostage. The fact that North Korea would eventually lose won't be much comfort to the millions who would die in Seoul.
Your nuclear weapon talk is so beyond ridiculous. This is a bit of an aside, but its no wonder that the United States gets into so much trouble that it itself causes when half our nation's politics are decided by people with views such as yourself. Sure, lets go nuke North Korea when it would give us absolutely no military benefit, cause incredible loss of civilian life, cause fallout over many nations, and raise nuclear tensions around 2 of the largest and most powerful nations in the world.
Amazingly ridiculous.
Thank You.
Really you should have pulled out the you look like a monkey smack, too. People like you get so bent out of shape when I know something and you're wrong about it. I'm sure that part of that is in my delivery because I am quite an asshole but I'd go ahead and assume that most of it is just how raw it burns you that you're wrong and I'm right. Every time someone goes to the "know it all" card on me God gives an angel its wings.
Should we let the victims of the attack decide what to do or should be actually be pragmatic and let cooler heads decide? Since when is it a good idea to base the decisions governing a country going into war based upon those under extreme emotional distress.So what do you advocate Manny? Seriously, what is your solution to deal with military aggression? Let em keep s ing, and hopefully they get bored and stop? Let's say your family just got their home s ed and your kid was missing an arm in the hospital this afternoon. Would you just say, "oh darn that crazy guy, sorry my house was in the way of his artillery s s!"
I never advocated that South Korea be a and just let North Korea walk all over them. I just pointed out that you saying they should wipe them out was incredibly ridiculous and ignorant of the situation there.
I don't know what should be done, but I know its not all out war. Its not there yet. I for one don't want my country getting dragged into another war halfway around the world.
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