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    I wonder where the line is. I really don't think NK has crossed it and the longer that we go without a retaliation (militarily) by the South the more I think thats confirmed but where exactly is that line?

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    I wonder where the line is. I really don't think NK has crossed it and the longer that we go without a retaliation (militarily) by the South the more I think thats confirmed but where exactly is that line?
    The 38th parallel?

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    They are probably still trying to figure out what the happened. You know SK fired artillery from the island first, right?...just not AT NK. Could have been a trigger happy reaction from the local NK military commander, or even more likely, ordered by the military (to keep tensions up) in a power struggle in the transition...
    This. The dictatorship desperately needs an outside threat to divert the attention from inner problems.

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    Since the outright sinking of a South Korean warship a few months back the South has been in little mood to be nice.

    Not sure if Fox noted this in your article, but the South has stepped up its military exercises, and one of those exercises involved lobbing artillery s s into some disputed offshore waters.

    The North said that was unacceptable, and the South did it anyways.

    This episode marks a dangerous escalation by all accounts.

    I have a feeling China is going to be jerking very hard on the leash of its yappy lapdog behind the scenes.
    Yeah, I read that on one of my later e-mail alerts. This isn't anything new, the NKPA/PN do the same things on a fairly regular basis. It's a perpetual pissing contest. They (NKPA) would lob the occasional s into the No-man's land area of the DMZ even when I was there in 02'. I have no doubt the ROK army does similar things, but never (to my knowledge) have they targeted actual military or civilian locations within sovereign territory. You're correct that this represents a dangerous escalation.

    It would seem this is yet another attention grab, a disproportionate response to something that happens there quite often. The exercises on both sides of the DMZ regularly number in the tens of thousands, so I highly doubt that the NKPA, no matter how paranoid, actually felt threatened by whatever it was the ROKs were doing off the coast.

    As for China, I think the North Koreans are a bit of a paradox to them. On the one hand, they are probably a useful tool for the Chinese to counter American power on the peninsula. On the other, they are an unpredictable, 'yappy dog' (lol, nice), that is always pissing in the house and running off and doing it's own thing. I agree the Chinese can probably reign them in better than most, but just how much they can control the NKs is debatable.

    It's no wonder that this has been such a conundrum for so many administrations. I surely don't pretend to have any answers. There is more gray area here than in most other parts of the world, and all I want to see ultimately is peace on this beautiful peninsula

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    Hopefully you're right. They seem itching for a fight.
    This is true. I exchanged a few FB messages with my Korean friend early this morning while it was going down. Korean young adults, who are usually the ones who want peace and better relations with the north (while also tending to be a bit more anti-US), are even starting to reflect a fighting mood.

    I can sympathize. I know how I would feel if my people and my military were repeatedly used as target practice to send messages to other nations.

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    S Korea seems to think it was pretty major. All it takes is one misstep by either side.

    I've got a friend stationed over there right now; hoping nothing goes down.
    Yes, it's been a while since something this significant has happened. Timing's good for N. Korea making me wonder what Obama told the Chinese in Asia. Did he promise them we wouldn't interfere? Then the recent show and tell of the state of the art uranium refining facilities before this. They wanted us to know they have the capacity to make a bomb.

    What's next? Definitely different than the past. I can understand S. Korea being worried. This could be more than saber rattling. I hope not. I spent 2 years in S. Korea myself. Great place.

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    They are probably still trying to figure out what the happened. You know SK fired artillery from the island first, right?...just not AT NK. Could have been a trigger happy reaction from the local NK military commander, or even more likely, ordered by the military (to keep tensions up) in a power struggle in the transition...
    Where did they fire it at? Maybe it was a simple mistake, but anytime a world power has training exercises that may be seen by other powers, it's standard procedure to let other countries know.

    So... What really happened?

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    Yes, but according to SK, they informed NK ahead of time. Like I said, lots of tension, and all it takes is one misstep, real or perceived.
    We also know that the north has a ty infrastructure. Maybe their military communications isn't much better. Maybe one unit never was notified. That's all it takes.

    then again... Maybe it was an excuse...

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    They said the president was awakened at 3:55 am with the news of the attack. I think Hillary set this whole thing up.

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    Moving a CAG there now. Pretty much the no brainier next step in case really goes down.

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    They said the president was awakened at 3:55 am with the news of the attack. I think Hillary set this whole thing up.

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    CO-HOST: How would you handle a situation like the one that just developed in North Korea? [...]

    PALIN: But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies. We’re bound to by treaty –

    CO-HOST: South Korean.

    PALIN: Eh, Yeah. And we’re also bound by prudence to stand with our South Korean allies, yes.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/24/palin-north-korea/

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    Can she see N or S K from her backyard?

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    CO-HOST: How would you handle a situation like the one that just developed in North Korea? [...]

    PALIN: But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies. We’re bound to by treaty –

    CO-HOST: South Korean.

    PALIN: Eh, Yeah. And we’re also bound by prudence to stand with our South Korean allies, yes.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/24/palin-north-korea/

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    Can she see N or S K from her backyard?
    A simple flub, but mildly funny anyways.

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    They said the president was awakened at 3:55 am with the news of the attack. I think Hillary set this whole thing up.

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    They said the president was awakened at 3:55 am with the news of the attack. I think Hillary set this whole thing up.
    They must have calculated the time zone an hour off?

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