God dammit! At least we have someone who can lay some lumber on anyone who tries to "Eduardo" one of our players.
I agree, the 2nd unit needed another veteran, not a project player, to keep up the momentum that our starters seem to have lately..Ime, not any means a great player offensively or defensivly, knows what is expected of him by pop on both sides of the court.
Ime is exactly the kind of player who will get in opposing players faces if need be. Pop is getting tired of this flagrant foul and Ime was already on his speed dial...
Bonner sounded like a great 5th big, too. But everybody was convinced that he would be buried behind Splitter and Dice. Instead, he's become the first big off the bench most nights. Granted he is playing well (and shooting even better) right now, but I feel better about Tiago's development in the long term than I do about Bonner being able to keep up this pace. And right now, Tiago is hardly seeing any playing time.
The point is, nobody really knows how Pop will end up using Ime. IF he ends up playing spot minutes, I'm sure it's not the worst signing in the world. If he manages to crack the rotation for whatever reason, well...I just have flashbacks to 2008-2009 when the offense would start to sputter whenever he hit the court.
first post to make sense in here. udoka will get some minutes until anderson (and if ) is ready and in shape to get into the rotation again.
Of course Ime is going to get some minutes..why do you think that we're all angry over this?..
If he was only going to play in blow-outs or remain in a suit, nobody would care..
If he can hit his shots I like it, but if he cant, let him go in less than a week
The only problem I see with this signing is that the SPurs currently never have a lineup on the floor that consists of a offensive liability. As we did in the past with Bogans, (cold) RMJ, Vaughn, Ime pt1.
Now I can see that happening when/if Ime is on the floor.
Forget Udoka, this thread is about the forum taking a collective dump on EricB / TPark.
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth:
Udoka first stint as a Spur was pure fail. Not much will change this time.
Yah, bad wording on my part. I knew Neal was guaranteed, I meant he's apt to be out of the rotation soon. Defensively he makes Roger Mason look like Bruce Bowen.
235+ posts on a vet signing the minimum for the 13th spot.
Classic SpursTalk.
This.
Does Ime come with or without his walker?
Pinche caca arm...I hope he NEVER sniffs the floor
No. Neal has been the primary beneficiary of Anderson's absence.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2011/
Perhaps even the 9th. After all. Neal was the 10th man before Anderson went down. If Udoka is fit enough to play 12-15 minutes every night, I would expect him to become the primary backup SF (Anderson's minutes). This will allow Manu to play nearly all his minutes at the 2.
We'll then have to see if Manu's overall minutes will go down in this scenario. If his minutes remain steady, then Neal will find most of his minutes in garbage time. If Manu's total minutes are reduced, Neal will be able to remain on the fringe of the rotation.
I'm more concerned about the possibility of seeing Udoka as a smallball PF. We've seen a significant reduction in smallball this season. Even with the reduction in smallball, we've seen how difficult it is to get sufficient minutes for five bigs. Using Udoka as a smallball 4 will make that situation even worse.
So you'd rather have prissy Jefferson playing the small ball 4?No. Neal has been the primary beneficiary of Anderson's absence.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2011/
Perhaps even the 9th. After all. Neal was the 10th man before Anderson went down. If Udoka is fit enough to play 12-15 minutes every night, I would expect him to become the primary backup SF (Anderson's minutes). This will allow Manu to play nearly all his minutes at the 2.
We'll then have to see if Manu's overall minutes will go down in this scenario. If his minutes remain steady, then Neal will find most of his minutes in garbage time. If Manu's total minutes are reduced, Neal will be able to remain on the fringe of the rotation.
I'm more concerned about the possibility of seeing Udoka as a smallball PF. We've seen a significant reduction in smallball this season. Even with the reduction in smallball, we've seen how difficult it is to get sufficient minutes for five bigs. Using Udoka as a smallball 4 will make that situation even worse.
RIF. Try again.
You and I know thats not true. This whole forum has a tendency of creaming ourselves over anybody thats taller than 6'6 and athletic, thinking they're the next great thing. If the Spurs had signed a do nothing player with those physical skills then EVERYBODY would be clammering to get him in the game and see his skills. If they'd signed a do nothing player that was lacking in those physical characteristics then everybody would be ing about that 6'8 athletic freak we'd passed on to take whomever we ended up with. We, as a forum, ALWAYS about that fringe player. Theres never a player that nobody cares about.
33 ain't over the hill. Michael Jordan won his last championship at age 35.
He's still got a couple years left in the tank IMO.
So you apparently do prefer Jefferson as a small ball 4, even though we've seen time and time again his game goes straight to and a handbasket... okay good for you.
Reading comprehension is a problem for you.
Let's backtrack.
Reading comprehension is a problem for you.
You said you were concerned about seeing Udoka as a small ball PF. Do I need to quote you? Since its a given Pop will fiddle with small ball at least once per game, how is it a problem having Udoka there to play the 4 instead of Jefferson?
And we have our first comparison between Ime Udoka and Michael Jordan. And it didn't come from TPark.
I highly doubt Pop plays Udoka at small ball 4. He's 6'5. lol, we are 11-1, give Pop some credit...
The good news is that we're not bringing back Finley
Now that you've posed an actual question, I'll respond.
1. Go the boxscores and add up the minutes played by the 5 bigs. Compare that number to 96. It's no longer a given that some smallball will be played every night. As the games add up, a distinct trend away from smallball is readily apparent.
2. There are varying degrees of smallball. I focus on the two major variations. Smallball vs. conventional 2 big configurations used by the opponent and smallball to match up with an opponent's small line up. Smallball vs. conventional configurations has virtually disappeared this season. All, or nearly all, of the Spurs smallball minutes have been played against small line-ups used by the opponents. 5 useful bigs and one legit SF on the current roster have made the use of small v. tall almost non-existent.
3. RJ's well do ented problems as a smallball 4 were when he was used against conventional line-ups. That failed experiment ended, for all intents and purposes, after the All-Star game last season. So we see RJ as a smallball 4 against teams that play small like Chicago or OKC. So to answer one of your questions, I would much prefer to see RJ matched up against Deng or Sefalosha than Udoka.
4. That wasn't the use of Udoka that was my concern. As stated, RJ has been used almost exclusively to match up with small line-ups used by the opposition. My concern with Udoka's presence on the roster is that he will be used vs. conventional 2 big configurations employed by the opposition. He was used in that capacity with some frequency during his first stint with the Spurs.
5. My concern is that Udoka's presence will reverse the trend away from smallball by increasing the worst kind of smallball; smallball vs. tallball. I am concerned that Udoka's presence will result in a net increase of smallball.
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