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They had a guy named Mahinmi once upon a time..
pretty good points - also, you have to expect that Timmy, Tony and Manu will be wearing down more and more as the season goes on and harder to recover in stretches. The Spurs will have to rely on other players to cover for them (as we've needed in the past 3 years) and Bonner isn't going to be that guy. He'll have good games when his 3 is on, but what he gives up in defense (please look at last night's game as a perfect example) and rebounds is too big of a risk to leverage against his occasional high point total.I didn't see the game, but from what I'm reading here from the ST regulars & also seeing the minutes distribution tonight as well as the stats I'm becoming more and more convinced Bonner should not be in the rotation. He makes far too many dumb decisions especially when teams run him off the 3pt line (which they are going to start doing more and more & especially come playoff time). His current 60%+ shooting from 3 pt range is bound to nosedive eventually, and when that happens, it's gonna get real ugly fast. Consider this: Bonner is shooting a measly 13% (3-22) from inside the arc.
All Bonner is doing essentially is taking minutes from Splitter & Blair, both of whom will be much more instrumental in winning another championship and will need more minutes to develop their games and chemistry with the team. This is not gonna happen with Matt Bonner garnering 25+ minutes a game.
Not to mention His lack of defense places a burden on Tim Duncan every time the two play together, and this is bound to have consquences later on.
There's just so many negatives here to having Bonner play big minutes I just can't comprehend how Pop rationalizes it all. Even using the popular theory that Pop is just riding Bonner's hot hand doesn't make sense to me, because it still means the big rotation is ing screwed because nobody is getting enough minutes or even consistent minutes from game to game.
I'd rather see Bonner dropped out of the rotation completely, and if the spurs need to spread the floor from the 4 spot, they have McDyess already, and also Ime Udoka now.
His ideal situation is to come off the bench for his 3 point shooting alone in small doses and let the other bigs get more experience (Splitter and Blair) whenever possible. I still wish the Spurs would have brought in a young, raw big with length to fill in for some of the minutes where Splitter or Blair are in foul trouble or not playing well. Not being able to protect the paint or rebound really hurts the Spurs when their shots are off (I know that's obvious, but it's never been addressed.)
They had a guy named Mahinmi once upon a time..
Yeah and he went up to Dallas and is tear.... Wait what?
For 3 and a half quarters Bonner was bad. LOve abused him, he kept missing not playing any dfense, getting in the way, but the last part of the game, he was good, he hit that 3 but he also asserted himself under the boards and played much better defense, although, I though McDyess put the clamps on Love late in the game.
Yo Poindexter, keep up here. We're not talkin' bout an all star here, we're talkin' bout a guy who can play defense and rebound in a reserve role, which Ian is quite capable.
The Big Red Boner is doing ok this year IMHO.
After comments here, I watched Red Rocket's feet during lift offs.
Unlike normal people, when he jump shoots, he pulls his toes up so his soles are parallel to the floor, rather than leaving his toes down. So it looks like he's levitating.
so who's minutes would you have Ian take away from - Haywood's or Chandler's. Yep, that's a fair comparison to the Spurs situation.
The point Cartman - is that having a player that could play defense and rebound (not an all-star) should get some minutes mixed in with Antonio, Splitter and Blair instead of boner that severly lacks in those departments.
Damn, there's a lot of hate for Bonner here.
Choking in the Playoffs three straight years will do that to you... at least here at Spurstalk...
Matt shoots a lot better at home than on the road, hope that isn't a sign of continued playoff weakness.
He still think he is playing in the Euro leagues. This is the NBA and he has to get tough. Size alone won't cut it in the NBA like it can in the Euro Leagues.
So wheres the proof that Mahimini can do this? If Mahimni could consistantly do this, why isn't he getting any playing time with the Mavs? Some on here say because of Chandler and Haywood are keeping him on the bench, but if Mahimni can rebound and play defense like you say, wouldn't that talent allow him to get in the game, besides garbage time? Thats 2 teams now, where Mahmni isn't receiving playing time and 2 coaching staffs that aren't realizing Mahmni's potential.
Ian was never that dominant a rebounder, even in the D-League. I don't know where that myth started. He is capable of good defense, but his foul trouble was a constant problem. I'm not talking about what might have been had he been given welfare minutes -- I'm talking about what was actually known about him. It's too bad he went to another good team; he's not good enough to get minutes there either.
And it's gonna continue until he nuts up in the playoffs.
This regular season is all fine and dandy, but I'll hold off judgment until he hits some shots against LA or Boston when they matter.
I don't think he was a dominant shot blocker either - but he would be adequate given the weakness the Spurs have when Timmy's having a bad game or Antonio's on the bench. Splitter and Blair might be able to help, but not always and both are far from consistent.
Look - bang on Ian all you want, but he had some decent moments in non-garbage minutes - I can think of the Houston game last year as an example and against the mavs in the playoffs as another.
Ian's no longer here and I wish him well as he seemed like a good kid, but we still need length for our interior defense when Timmy and Antonio are on the bench and boner does not fit that role. Boner should be used as Kerr was in times of 3 pt shot need and when sacrificing defense is affordable.
Why did blair, the starter, only play 6 minutes? Does this mean ginger > blair?
Right now, I'd have to say yes.
Ian does seem like a good kid, I hope he eventually becomes a legit NBA player. But for various reasons, injuries, bad luck, etc..., he has yet to find his niche. Who knows if he ever will put it together.
So why not holding judgment on Tiago, or O'Neal... they've shown absolutely nothing in the playoffs, as they never played, so they might be even worst chokers than Bonner for all we know.
I know you are going to say that Bonner already choked in the playoffs, but if the past is always a determinant for the future, well, do I need to remind you of Parker's playoffs runs until circa 2006?
Both are better than Ian.
Splitter especially is going to provide defense. People are whining about PT but they ignore all the basketball he has played in the past year and his history of little injuries that have kept him out of games, which is strange since he missed training camp with just such an injury.
I like Ian as much as anyone. He's just needs to develop and Dallas isn't the place where it's going to happen.
If he's awful all game long but keeps putting in the last shot Im in for him playing in crunch time.
I don't thinks so, Matt played a bad game and we won.
last 2 games averages
against twolves and orlando
Blair
8 min
3 pts
1.5 rbs
40% fgs
1.5 turnovers
2 fouls
Pussy Ginger
31 min
11 pts
6 rbs
6-10 3pt fgs
0 turnovers
2 fouls
dam booner and splitter (22min 6pts 4rbs vs wolves) stealing all of blairs minutes, hows that happening?
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