I never said Dirk was a better overall player than Kobe when you consider the all-around game and playoffs and whatever..the question in the OP is asking which player is the best offensive player right now, and I said Dirk..
I responded to your argument that you always use, which is that Kobe doesn't do as much as he used to, which is why his numbers are down, which is completely false, as usual..Kobe currently has the highest usage % he has had in his career, other than 2005-2006, and he's #1 in the league in FGAs..
That argument doesn't stick..he's on the decline, obviously, he isn't even the best player on his team right now..
While Nowitzki has to carry his team's offense every night, since his #2 option is JJ Barea..
You are preaching to the choir - any Laker fan will tell you that Kobe is trying to do too much when we don't need him to.
Anyway, back on topic. _irk is more efficient than Kobe. That doesn't mean he is better offensively. Quick question: Pau has been more efficient than _irk has, except _irk scores more than he does. Is Pau a better offensive player?
Dirk is not the best but the most assured & effective! the boy is dam near $$$$$ everytime he got the ball in his hand. He's one of those players you hope the team dont come down an put the ball in his hands, and every shot he shoots down the strecth with the game on the line , you squeeze your ass cheeks hoping he misses!
Gasol isn't more efficient than Nowitzki when you consider 3-point shooting, which you obviously should..
You can make the argument for Gasol, since his passing is levels better..however, again, Dirk doesn't have any other players on his team that can create their own offense on a consistent basis..none of them are serious threats to the opposing defense, outside of spot-up shooting, and even then..Gasol has Kobe, a top 10 player that gets more attention than he deserves nowadays, mostly by reputation(you'll see the difference by the end of the season)..even Odom creates more of his own offense than anybody on the Mavs does, especially with his hot start this season..
Nowitzki is scoring at a crazy rate, despite the lack of help..this isn't really hyperbole, the Mavs really don't have anybody that can create on a consistent basis..Butler and Terry have about 70% of their offense assisted, and they're probably the 2 best offensive players next to Nowitzki..
dirk is the most offensive playa anywhere, not only on the court but in his houses as well.
Nah man we're rollin with Barea as Dirk's Robin. He's killing it with 34% fg and 14% from 3pt land this season. Not to mention his stellar defense.
About Gasol:His TS% and eFG% is lower than Dirks(mostly due to 3pointers). And his usage rate is much lower (22 vs 30). So no he's not more efficient than Dirk.
Harlem with the goods.
I love when Laker fans have the balls to play the "Kobe doesn't have to do as much" card..
Um, in case you haven't noticed, KOBE IS #1 IN THE NBA IN FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS..he doesn't have to do as much, but he still goes out of his way to shoot as much as he can and control the ball as much as he can..
Despite having a stacked team, Kobe is #1 in the NBA in usage %, which is actually higher than his usage in 2006-2007..I don't know why it's so tough to accept his decline..
Durant?
There's a great argument for Dirk..he probably is the best offensive player in the NBA..he's amazingly efficient, and he doesn't have much help from an offensive standpoint..
Harlem, get the out of here with objective stats man...You know Laker fans don't use logic when talking about Bryant..they get too emotional
_irk has a HOF PG that is a of a passer that can get the ball to him in his sweet spots. Could you imagine Kobe with that luxury?Plus _irk is 7' so he can get his shot over anybody. That is just as good as having a legit 2nd option IMO. He balling though I wouldn't call anybody in the league better than Kobe is offensively.
On an aside, I'm sure if PJ took the handcuffs off of Pau he would be shooting 3's as well. He has that kind of range. Not sure if your point about _irk shooting 3's has much merit because Pau can do it too.
_irk has a HOF PG that is a of a passer that can get the ball to him in his sweet spots. Could you imagine Kobe with that luxury?
On an aside, I'm sure if PJ took the handcuffs off of Pau he would be shooting 3's as well. He has that kind of range. Not sure if your point about _irk shooting 3's has much merit because Pau can do it too.
_ irk?????
come up with new material boy
Ugh, this hurts my head..so do the other parts, but those 2 points in particular.._irk has a HOF PG that is a of a passer that can get the ball to him in his sweet spots. Could you imagine Kobe with that luxury?
On an aside, I'm sure if PJ took the handcuffs off of Pau he would be shooting 3's as well. He has that kind of range. Not sure if your point about _irk shooting 3's has much merit because Pau can do it too.
it doesn't?
high efficiency = ball goes in often.
kobe is a more spectacular player than dirk, that's for sure, he has more moves, but does that alone make him better offensively?
efficiency >>>> fancy moves.
you can't compare dirks game with paus. dirk plays like a guard, pau like a true bigmen. and of course pau is more efficient, he doesn't nearly have dirks range and he has kobe bryant on his team.Quick question: Pau has been more efficient than _irk has, except _irk scores more than he does. Is Pau a better offensive player?
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it's cuz he has no D, right? HOLY that is hilarious I've never seen that before!
sup bump_irk has a HOF PG that is a of a passer that can get the ball to him in his sweet spots. Could you imagine Kobe with that luxury?
On an aside, I'm sure if PJ took the handcuffs off of Pau he would be shooting 3's as well. He has that kind of range. Not sure if your point about _irk shooting 3's has much merit because Pau can do it too.
Jason Kidd is a good passer who knows how to get a player into position to score. _irk is 7' and plays like a guard. Because he is 7' he is too tall for every SF/PF in the L to guard him. Plus he is too quick for a regular 7 footer to guard him. All of this goes into his favor. If he has these advantages, he should score. Easily. Double team? Triple team? With Jason Kidd on your team he can get you the ball for you to go to work. Sure having a 2nd option is better, but not much given the advantages _irk has.
Kobe never played with anyone the caliber of J Kidd, yet he can still do damage. You say _irk doesn't have a legit 2nd option. Welcome to 2004-2007 for Kobe. No Shaq. No Malone. No Payton. Just Kwame, Cook, inconsistent LO, and Smush Parker. Everybody on the 2010 Mavs is better than that bunch. Shoot, until Pau showed up Kobe didn't have a legit 2nd option. Kobe's career high is 81. Pau played for Memphis when he did that.
I don't want to give the impression that I am dismissing what _irk is doing. But, IMO, Kobe is a better offensive player than he is.
Can we trade Kidd for Gasol plz?We'll even throw in JJB.
Did I strike a nerve? I don't even trip when you guys say Kome, or rapist, ball hog. I'm new to this board, but I've been calling him _irk for years. He plays one side of the ball. He won't bang. He barely rebounds. He won't post up. He does nothing that a big man is supposed to do yet millions of people love him. Even Avery Johnson tried to get him to sack up. We know who Cuban chose and you guys still haven't done .LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
it's cuz he has no D, right? HOLY that is hilarious I've never seen that before!
Laugh at that.
Dude, your ing up your whole argument using Jason Kidd as your reason Dirk has an advantage.
the fact that my first impulse is to agree with Lkrfan shows that i must be wrong.
actually though, the thing is Lkrfan makes a poor argument. clearly dirk, when you look at his numbers and his teammates, he is a great, unique scoring player. but IMO and I already know mavs fans mostly hate anyone who says this, dirk has a little bonner to his game, a little fools gold: its mostly jumpshooting and when the shot isnt there it gets ugly. Last year in the PO, he started on fire but later I remember several stretches where dirk was getting the ball and having difficulty getting a shot up, and there was no plan B, it was as if his teammates were just watching him fail. the best offensive player has to have a better repertoire. still, you have to wonder how much that is not having someone to play off of. apart from him the mavs have a bunch of good to ok role players, he is basically alone out there. maybe his defenders are right that he's doing what he can with what he has, or maybe his strength is not as valuable as it seems. Lkrfan is pushing me to the former, and I'm wondering if the mavs will ever get the right piece next to him- its definitely not jason terry
you have never watched him play have you?
easily
have you ever seen him shoot his one-legged turn around fade-away jump shot with a hand in his face? he does that every game, multiple times. that's his signature shot. go on youtube, watch it and then judge again..
I know you love your nicknames as much as you love rydin Kobe's but you may be equally as stupid as your love for those two. Didn't you say LO came to the Lakers and he was once a number one option, implying he didn't struggle to make that transition. Now he was inconsistent, because it fits your argument which just so happens to be your favorite 's owner Kobe.
Dirk has a higher PER than Kobe right now of all players in the NBA. It doesn't mean he's better; it's simply another statistic to consider and it's nice because PER better encompasses one's "overall game" than looking at isolated states like PPG alone or FG% alone, etc.
Here are the top 10 players in the NBA according to PER -
1 Chris Paul, NO 14 34.4 .608 38.7 8.8 23.0 2.0 13.9 8.0 27.74 120.4 4.0
2 Pau Gasol, LAL 15 38.3 .606 17.2 7.2 21.6 10.7 22.1 16.8 26.82 131.3 4.4
3 Dwight Howard, ORL 14 33.9 .600 5.7 13.3 26.2 9.8 31.8 21.1 26.68 113.8 3.8
4 Al Horford, ATL 15 31.7 .655 19.5 7.4 19.4 9.1 25.7 17.7 25.49 105.6 3.5
5 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 14 37.2 .620 7.5 9.7 27.3 3.8 20.9 12.9 24.80 103.4 3.4
6 Tyrus Thomas, CHA 14 22.0 .594 5.2 15.0 24.8 14.1 19.4 16.8 24.20 58.4 1.9
7 LeBron James, MIA 15 37.6 .559 24.7 12.3 30.4 1.5 14.9 8.4 24.00 113.7 3.8
8 Russell Westbrook, OKC 15 37.1 .551 25.5 12.0 29.1 4.6 11.3 8.1 23.99 108.0 3.6
9 Kobe Bryant, LAL 15 32.9 .544 15.5 9.7 32.8 3.5 15.1 9.8 23.77 97.9 3.3
10 Manu Ginobili, SA 14 33.1 .630 20.4 11.2 24.6 2.1 10.1 6.1 23.71 91.5 3.1
Not really sure why your screen name is Laker fan when truth is your a Kome ryder all the way.Laugh at that.
Also, to be fair, Kobe's true shooting percentage isn't as bad as one might initially think. Yeah, he's certainly a chucker, but he also gets to the line pretty damned often and his FT% is terrific, yielding a TS% of .544
Dirk's still more efficient shooting-wise, mind you, with a TS% of .620
You are unfunny mother er. Please shut up.
He's been by far the Lakers third best player this year according to advanced statistics.
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplaye...=DESC&team=LAL
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