Reply With Quote
Nobody cares, we knew it was a failure from the start. Now go back to wherever you came from before LeBron decided to take his "talents" to South Beach.
Easier said than done I'm sure but whether by choice or not, Lebron IMO needs to go, and I'm saying this because I'm a huge fan of his. I want to see Lebron play his brand of basketball again with the right pieces around him. Cleveland had solid ones but it wasn't always enough and though Miami had a blockbuster summer, it was just a bad script from the scratch. Now maybe I'm just a cynic but I think its safe to say that this is a failed experiment, so Lebron needs to move on with another direction.
"I Can't Defer"
“No, I can’t change my game dramatically and I don’t think he can either,” LeBron said. “It doesn’t make any sense to do that. I’m not going to.” He paused adding: “I’d just be a role player at that point.”
Lebron made a mistake, plain and simple. He doesn't want to follow and he should'nt because he's still the best and most skilled basketball player in the league.
So who goes? Not Wade of course, Miami was and still his team. They have a county named after him and he was the reason the Heat have a championship banner hanging in the rafters. Certainly not Bosh because Bosh is a great second option waiting to happen, I mean you don't see it right now because Wade and Lebron dominates the offensive flow but when given a chance, Bosh is a great second option. His defense is suspect but nonetheless, he's a Pau Gasol type of player waiting to happen.
So this leaves Lebron as the odd man out. Odd in a sense because he's so ridiculously good to play Robin to anyone else in the league. But is there a way around this? I confined that for the Heat to be successful, only one player has to call the shots. Wade is most certainly capable of doing this, he's much more mature than Lebron, but should he? I honestly think he should, he has a championship pedigree, he's older and he's at the stage of his athletic peak.
So how about Lebron? Of course he can. Absolutely! but will Wade allow this to happen? In a few games sure, but in a span of a whole season and into the playoffs? Goodluck with that. Wade will take over and Lebron will try to get his too, and what happens is you have a vicious 1-2 attact from the perimeter with the rest of the team wondering when are they going to get a chance to showcase their end of the deal. Hardly a championship basketball team if you ask me.
I can pretend and say they will eventually mesh as a group but the bigger problem lies in their personalities not with their talents from day one. I just don't see Lebron or Wade allowing one of the other take the driver seat momentarily while the other patiently waits for his turn.
Nobody cares, we knew it was a failure from the start. Now go back to wherever you came from before LeBron decided to take his "talents" to South Beach.
On the bold part....
Bosh is NOTHING like Gasol. Gasol>>>>Bosh in every aspect other than jumpshooting. Don't ever compare Bosh to Gasol. That is an insult to Pau.
Link?
Sons, this is coming from a Celtic fan. Considering the way the Celtics pushed him around in 2008, this comment puts a smile on my face.
We'll give you Haywood and Roddy for Lebron. Thats a starting center and a future superstar pg. You're welcome.
If somebody else's accomplishments puts a smile on your face then your life is as pathetic as I thought.Sons, this is coming from a Celtic fan. Considering the way the Celtics pushed him around in 2008, this comment puts a smile on my face.
The thread is an over reaction for a slow start. This is not a team with core that added pieces but a team with a whole new core. There are many problems with this team but all are fixable.
As for Lebron, if the bump to Spo was intentional, then he should be traded. This Heat team was built to win championships and disrespectful acts like that to the coach won't fly. Spo may be the problem but regardless he is the coach.
Nope - try again. Pathetic is a man who doesn't honor his bets.
Living vicariously through someone who has no idea you exist... Your life is greatNope - try again. Pathetic is a man who doesn't honor his bets.
With Riley as the coach, you'll succeed.
Don't worry bandwagon fan.
Nobody cares, we knew it was a failure from the start. Now go back to wherever you came from before LeBron decided to take his "talents" to South Beach.
/thread
the triumvirate are not THAT good to begin with. lebron used to take a load of FTs when he was the lone star in cleveland but he has to share FTs with another 2 stars now. the refs can't give them thrice the number of FTs each of them used to get the past seasons.
U mad?
Grey Laker fan asking me if I'm mad? You must be new. Move along peon.
This only has a little to do with chemistry, and more to do with personnel. The Heat will not be THIS bad all year, but they are horribly inefficient in the post (offensively and defensively), like most Laker fans had pointed out before the season started. What's gonna change that? They already drive the ball and get more FTAs than any team they play, yet they get sodomized in the paint night after night. All I want to know is what's going to transpire over the next 65 games that dramatically shifts those statistics? Second-round fodder looks like their ceiling right now
It takes time to build a championship team. I think the trio is capable of winning a le as a team but the success rate is not going to be as quick like Boston's Big 3. See, we're less than 1/4 into the season, they will eventually find their own weaknesses, strengths, what works and what doesn't halfway into the season. I do agree however that there should only be 1 Alpha dog in the team. If I have to choose at this point, I think it shoukd be Wade. He has championship experience and he's no stranger playing with individuals with huge egos (Shaq & Payton).
If Miami wants to win it all, Wade should take charge and disregard Lebron's feelings.
Originally Posted by bostonguy
On the bold part....
Bosh is NOTHING like Gasol. Gasol>>>>Bosh in every aspect other than jumpshooting. Don't ever compare Bosh to Gasol. That is an insult to Pau.
I think he was referring to the similarities how Pau before the Lakers was considered just a talented guy on a bad team. Just like Bosh. Bosh certainly has the talent to be very good. Its a fair comparison even though Pau is obviously a better player.
I mean, who was Gasol before coming to LA? He's just like Bosh IMO.
On offense chemistry is playing a part but as I said coaching has more to do with that. They don't move the ball and there's no motion. No system offensively or defensively. On D, nobody is in position and to often you see three or four guys leaving guys open due to penetration. In fact I'll post something that Harlem showed me over at realgm here.
So we've been talking about how Spo sucks and should be fired. Let's back this up with some data.
To all those that aren't yet convinced the Heat have serious coaching issues (cough*HIF*cough): this is for you.
For me, the biggest problem is that the Heat's defense doubles, triples and quadruples players unnecessarily, leaving opposing 3p shooters wide open in the corners, in the process.
This is something for which Pops would kill you with his bare hands. The Spurs NEVER EVER EVER EVER leave open shooters in the corners. They'd rather give up a contested 2 than an open 3. And one might argue their system had some success over the years.
Exhibit 1:
Here TJ Ford beats House off the dribble, and the Heat's defense reacts by QUADRUPLE-teaming TJ Ford, leaving Granger and Dunleavy open in the corners. Dunleavy makes a 3 pointer.
Why would you need to QUADRUPLE team TJ Ford is beyond me. One guy should be enough to help House and either take a charge or block/alter Ford's shot.
Exhibit 2:
Again, unnecessary triple teaming of Rush opens Posey for a layup. Rush was not in a position to warrant triple-or even double-teaming.
You will notice that the Pacers are playing a small line-up, with Solomon Jones at C, while Spoelstra keeps Z on the court, instead of using the opportunity to play a quicker and more athletic line-up that could put some points on the board in a hurry: Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Jones, House.
Exhibit 3:
Again, basketball superstar TJ Ford triple teamed, leaving Rush open for a 3 (he didn't take it, but he was open). This time TJ didn't even get to beat House off the dribble before getting triple teamed.
You can see the play develop. Rush is now WIDE open, while the Heat is basically quadruple teaming, as Jones stays in the paint while his man, Dunleavy, sprints to the other corner. I guess Jones had to be there just in case TJ Ford bulldozed his way through Wade, Bosh and House.
Exhibit 4:
Collison gets in on the action as he was feeling neglected. Miami obliges and triple teams, although Arroyo was still in front of him. This leaves Granger open for a 3. If Wade closes in on him, Rush has an open path for a dunk or layup, or could set up for a corner 3. Or he could order lunch and some dessert and then shoot an open J.
Exhibit 5:
Collison gets triple teamed AGAIN. This time Solomon Jones is wide open a few feet from the basket and makes a J. You might call this a quadruple team, as Wade (4) also moves towards the paint, leaving Rush open. If the pass went to Rush he could have shot a 3 or Wade would have had to go too hard towards him, allowing Rush to beat him off the dribble and leaving Miami playing 4 against 5 on D.
Exhibit 6:
TJ Ford gets quadruple teamed. AGAIN. Granger and Posey are open for 3.
Exhibit 7:
How about a quintuple team for TJ Ford. Solomon Jones set a screen for him, so TJ Ford gets rid of Arroyo and is met by the entire Heat team. Notice how Arroyo instead of rotating to another man, keeps chasing TJ Ford, like a dog after his favorite toy. Jones is open for a J, but Posey is even more open for a corner 3. Which he makes.
Exhibit 8:
Granger is triple teamed on the baseline when a double team would have sufficed, leaving Dunleavy open in the corner. Bosh runs hard to cover him, but that means that when he gets the ball, Dunleavy can swing it to a wide open Posey. And if Arroyo moves in on Posey, that leaves TJ Ford open for a 3.
Just one more example of how exaggerating with the double and triple teaming puts your D in trouble and allows the opponent to keep you off balance just by moving the ball till they find an open shot they like - cause they can afford to choose which open shots to take.
Exhibit 9:
Granger is again triple teamed in a position where he's not that dangerous and while his man (Howard) is still in front of him. Here Posey is left open for a 3.
Again, we notice how the Heat play a big slow line-up and the Pacers are shredding their D with a smaller, quicker, faster line-up.
Another problem is how bigs are showing up when their man sets a screen. Normally you want your big to help and recover. But Z, Magloire and Howard are so slow that they can't really impede the process of the opposing PG, who gets around them easily. This results in the opposing PG having beaten Arroyo/House AND the opposing C/PF having a step on Z/Magloire/Howard. There are 2 men out of position and the Heat is playing 3 on 5. Before the defense scrambles to recover, the other team has already found and taken an open shot.
Exhibit 1:
Howard shows up on a screen by Posey. Notice the hand up in the air, when it should be down, trying to slow down TJ Ford. House gets picked and TJ Ford flies by Howard.
House and Howard are left in the dust. House tries to run after TJ Ford instead of rotating. Howard probably just tries to figure out what day of the week this is and what are those damn kids doing on his lawn.
Heat's defense overreacts with a triple team (while Lebron is also ready to step towards Ford). This leaves Solomon Jones open to roll hard to the basket and Dunleavy so alone in the corner that he's probably getting anxious and depressed.
Yet another issue is the play of Miami's PG. Especially Arroyo. Both him and House suck on defense, but at least House can hit the open 3 and help spread the floor. Arroyo on the other hand passes open 3s over and over again and, to make matters worse, is a ball stopper on offense. He likes to dominate the ball. When he gets the ball he feels the need to pump fake, take a few dribbles and then shoot or pass. This kills the rhythm of the offense.
Exhibit 1:
Arroyo gets a wide open look at a 3 pointer. Instead of shooting he pump fakes, allowing the defense to close in on him, takes a couple of dribbles and attempts a pass to Bosh inside, a pass that results in a turnover.
Exhibit 2:
Again, Arroyo is open for a 3. This time a corner 3. Again, he fakes, takes a couple of dribbles and causes a 3 second violation, as Z took up a rebounding position inside the paint, expecting a shot.
ALL THESE are proof of bad coaching, even if some are related to players' shortcomings. It's the coach's job to put the players in the best position to succeed, to emphasize their strengths and hide their weaknesses. On the Heat, however, it's quite the reverse.
* It's the coach's fault Arroyo plays with the 1st unit when he'd fit better off the bench.
* It's the coach's fault all these ridiculous double/triple/quadruple teaming takes place.
* It's the coach's fault slow bigs are left in the game when the opponent plays small ball - Miami should feast on small opponents, with Wade and Lebron as athletic and strong as they are. The ideal line-up would have to be (when everyone's healthy): Wade, Miller, Lebron, Bosh, Haslem or Wade, Jones, Miller, Lebron, Bosh and you can play it against small ball rather than a team with a lot of size.
I have nothing personally against Spoelstra, and I really wanted him to succeed. It would have been awesome had he turned into Phil Jackson 2.0. But he hasn't, and it's time for him to be replaced.
Riley coaching would make things even more dramatic. Lebron would HATE Riley and his hard ass coaching style. Those football like practices would make him and Bosh even bigger divas. Wade also HATED playing for Riley and he doesn't want him back. Riley is also 65 years old so I am sure he won't want that kind of stress at his age.
Spoelstra isnt the answer either.
This team is a mess.
GaySons, this is coming from a Celtic fan. Considering the way the Celtics pushed him around in 2008, this comment puts a smile on my face.
Gasol has always been a much more skilled/talented player than Bosh pre and post Memphis. Both suck as leaders but I'd take Gasol over Bosh in a heartbeat. He also proved he can hang with the big boys. Bosh is nothing but a jump shooting soft bigman. I can't stand him.
tbh I think they would undoubtedly improve with Riles at the helm, but I still don't see them beating a Boston or LA in a 7-game series. LeBron is just a bad fit there...ego-wise and strategy-wise. Like another poster said (JoeTait75, I believe), Wade and LBJ have similar games that require ball dominance to be effective. I think the Heat would be insane had they kept JO at 5(who isn't great, but was effective last year), Beasley at 3, and signed JUST Bosh. They also need to start Chalmers at PG again. Chalmers, Wade, Beasley, Bosh, and O'Neal would be a much more cohesive unit imo.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
