Conservatives vs. liberals: Before you indoctrinate your kids, read this

[TeyshaBlue]

Ill be the judge of ty in my own posts thanks.

Ball.

You'll not ascribe an at ude to me that is not warranted.

And no, you don't understand.

Next batter.

[TeyshaBlue]

1. "Federal agents with hands down your wifes pants." Sorry. Not happening to my wife.
2. "bailouts to the wealthiest". I'll give you this...since it's really not a modern phenomenon I don't understand the sudden "OH NOES!" it's taking on.
3. "failure to prosecute fraud rampant on wall street". Might be a touch premature on that one. Let's see how it plays out in light of the MERS fiasaco.
4. "Perpetual war". I'm sorry. But, no. It's not perpetual. Say what you mean, not what sounds good.

Care to actually revisit your points, such as they are?

[Parker2112]

Please. What you find acceptable, I find completely unacceptable. What you deem as the status quo, I deem as rotten to the core. Your at ude is your own, but I am free to find it completely flawed, and the root of most of the problems that I've stated.

I'll take my base now.

[Parker2112]

You say Boutons and I are on Meth. I say you and a few others are on Opiates.

Agree to disagree.

[TeyshaBlue]

Please. What you find acceptable, I find completely unacceptable. What you deem as the status quo, I deem as rotten to the core. Your at ude is your own, but I am free to find it completely flawed, and the root of most of the problems that I've stated.

I'll take my base now.

Your premise is flawed..conclusions flowing from it...well, garbage in, garbage out.

Nobody is putting their hands down my wife's pants. Just not happening. Sorry to dissapoint.
I gave you the bailouts, but I deny the sudden importance. Either you've been crusading for decades about this, or it's now convenient for whatever reason. Color me su ious of your motives.
You are premature in your touchdown dance with wall st. The story has scarcely begun. However, I suspect it's again, convenient for you to conclude the story now.

And while you're learning the game, I didn't say you were on meth, knucklehead. Lrn2read.

[Parker2112]

so what the govt doesnt do to you doesnt happen?

And if there is a history of something, right or wrong, we can overlook it?

Thats a pretty sad showing Teysha. And I am the one that is using flawed logic?

[TeyshaBlue]

so what the govt doesnt do to you doesnt happen?

And if there is a history of something, right or wrong, we can overlook it?

Thats a pretty sad showing Teysha. And I am the one that is using flawed logic?

Dude, it was you that put the attributive adjective "your" in the sentence in reference to wives. Don't say what you don't mean. If you meant it in the larger sense, that is "your wife" being all wives, which is equally silly, then say it. . I'm not sure what the you meant. I don't think you do either.

Did I actually say overlook something? Um, no I didn't. I just question why your hair (parenthetically) is on fire right now. It seems disingenuous at best.

Parse your thoughts just a little bit before you commit them to a post. It'll save us loads of time.

[Parker2112]

lets play word games?

Well, thats about as good a defense as you could mount under the cir stances, i suppose...congrats. Might want to cover your bloomers on the way back to the dugout though...

[Wild Cobra]

Well, I still see some of these arguments incomplete.

On the social safety net

The conservative view

• People are responsible for themselves – and, given the chance, they're capable of supporting themselves and their families. If the government makes a practice of providing for people (with welfare, for example), they become dependent and lose their will to work. Nothing could be more destructive to the health of our society.

The liberal view

• There are people in this country who struggle to put food on the table or can't afford medical care. A civilized society would try to help them, instead of leaving them to fend for themselves. (Someday, the one who needs a helping hand may be you, or someone you love.)

He approaches this as an all or nothing deal. Conservatives are all for giving and helping others, but though charity. Past that, no conservative I hear of advocates eliminationg government assistance. Just to make people accountable and actually help, rather than not care if people stay on the system.

On taxes

The liberal view

• We aren't isolated individuals struggling for survival: We live together, in a society. And membership in a society that makes wealth possible comes with obligations. Those who benefit most from our freedoms must contribute their fair share to help support and protect our society.

The conservative view

• Private property means that what belongs to you is yours; if the government confiscates it, that's tyranny. Our most productive citizens – the top 10 percent of earners – already pay 68 percent of taxes collected. These rates should be cut, not raised.

Again, extremes of both sides, but I'm beginning to think he's arguing liberal vs. libertarian instead.

On overcoming racial discrimination

The liberal view

• The difference in income between white people and African-Americans is still significant and directly linked to centuries of oppression. We haven't overcome the legacy of slavery yet. There's a long way to go.

The conservative view

• Current law protects equal rights for all races, and it's up to individuals to work and succeed according to their abilities. We no longer need to tip the scale toward minorities to make up for what happened long ago. To do so is reverse discrimination, and creates new injustices.

Too bad it doesn't mention that often, blacks are to blame for their own bias that they won't get a fair shake, and use it for excuses throughout life, instead of manning up.
[QUOTE]On human nature and justice

On America's future

The liberal view

• Most of the world's most successful, prosperous nations are liberal democracies that provide their citizens with a strong safety net. This represents the natural progress of civilization. It's time for us to catch up with northern Europe.

The conservative view

• What makes America great – a country so many yearn to live in – is the vastness of opportunity here. Freedom of opportunity requires freedom from government interference. We aren't Europe, and it would be wrong to follow Europe's lead

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LOL...

All the other prosperous nations are liberal! It took them thousands of years to get where they are. America is almost 240 years old. We passed them long ago with more conservative values, and are now sliding backwards with liberal ideals.

On ideals

The conservative view

• Duty, honesty, hard work, self-sacrifice, love of country, loyalty, and self-restraint.

The liberal view

• Justice, compassion, equality of opportunity, and clear vision: what’s great about our country, and what could be better.

The conservative views include those listed as liberal. The liberal just fail to believe in hard work, honesty, love of country, etc.

[Wild Cobra]

I remember taking a trip to Yellowstone when I was a kid. We stopped at a rest stop and there was a sign that said "Don't feed the animals". I asked a park ranger why we couldn't feed the animals and he said that the animals would become conditioned to depend on humans for food. If it happend for long enough, the animals would lose their natural ability to find food and would starve to death.

I think we need to remind our legislators of that.

[Parker2112]

Dude, ...... save us loads of time.

[ploto]

The conservative view

• Governments tend to grow like snowballs rolling downhill. We must work to reverse this trend, or the government will expand and intrude on our lives even more than it does now.

When did conservatives last practice this?

[LnGrrrR]

All the other prosperous nations are liberal! It took them thousands of years to get where they are. America is almost 240 years old. We passed them long ago with more conservative values, and are now sliding backwards with liberal ideals.

Yeah! If only we could be as conservative as the Middle East!

[LnGrrrR]

The conservative views include those listed as liberal. The liberal just fail to believe in hard work, honesty, love of country, etc.

[baseline bum]

I remember taking a trip to Yellowstone when I was a kid. We stopped at a rest stop and there was a sign that said "Don't feed the animals". I asked a park ranger why we couldn't feed the animals and he said that the animals would become conditioned to depend on humans for food. If it happend for long enough, the animals would lose their natural ability to find food and would starve to death.

I wonder what the ranger would say if you started chopping down all the whitebark trees, shot all the elk, and in general hoarded all the resources they depend on.

[LnGrrrR]

I wonder what the ranger would say if you started chopping down all the whitebark trees, shot all the elk, and in general hoarded all the resources they depend on.

Obvious answer is obvious.

The animals are too damned lazy to just move to a new habitat with shelter and food. They want a handout.

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah! If only we could be as conservative as the Middle East!

I think you know what I mean. Why must you make mockery of it?

[Wild Cobra]

I wonder what the ranger would say if you started chopping down all the whitebark trees, shot all the elk, and in general hoarded all the resources they depend on.

-ALL-

Who does that?

[DarrinS]

I wonder what the ranger would say if you started chopping down all the whitebark trees, shot all the elk, and in general hoarded all the resources they depend on.

"Please leave the park, immediately?"


See, there's a reason we preserve US National Parks and we have other areas to harvest resources. But, in general, you shouldn't feed animals. It's also better to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish.

[Parker2112]

Darrin your on a roll with this park metaphor.

[Wild Cobra]

Darrin your on a roll with this park metaphor.

He also quoted the Bible. Guess you never attended Sunday School.

[baseline bum]

"Please leave the park, immediately?"


See, there's a reason we preserve US National Parks and we have other areas to harvest resources. But, in general, you shouldn't feed animals. It's also better to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish.

Bears aren't productive members of society. They don't deserve our welfare. It's not my fault I'm skilled with a rifle and they're stupid.

[DarrinS]

Darrin your on a roll with this park metaphor.

Baseline's having a hard time understanding it.

[Parker2112]

He also quoted the Bible. Guess you never attended Sunday School.

that was a gem too. I lol'd.

[Winehole23]

4. "Perpetual war". I'm sorry. But, no. It's not perpetual. Say what you mean, not what sounds good.

Since WWII, haven't we been on a war footing more or less the whole way? That's 65 years now.

Just curious, what counts as perpetual war, TeyshaBlue?




(And btw, when do we return from Iraq and Afghanistan?)