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    I suspect the guy is just the face of a much larger organization. Has to be.
    Plus killing him would actually entice other people to pick up his 'rebel' cause.

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    I think he means the soldier who leaked the docs in the first place.
    I don't think it's been established that the private picked all of this up. I actually think he might have been at fault in the afghan/iraq war papers. But I would be surprised if he's also at fault about all the diplomacy cables, plus the plethora of corporate leaks they claim to have.

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    Just curious. I know how outraged libs were about Valerie Plame -- so much so that there's even a ty movie being made about it. How do these same folks feel about this Wikileaks nitwit?
    The fact that you can't differentiate between the purposeful exposure of an intelligence asset for purely political purposes on the part of powerful politicians, and this does not surprise me.

    All in all, since you ask, I think I do admire the guy. An idealist with "balls of anium".

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    What guy, the Australian? How could he be a traitor?
    The PFC that leaked the material.

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    The fact that you can't differentiate between the purposeful exposure of an intelligence asset for purely political purposes on the part of powerful politicians, and this does not surprise me.

    All in all, since you ask, I think I do admire the guy. An idealist with "balls of anium".
    Can you prove she was exposed for political reasons?

    She wasn't. The attempt was to find who the source was. She was involved. Just that simple.

    I know you to be a more intelligent person than most here. Why must you play the liberal lemming?

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    I already expressed my thoughts about this a while back. Let me reiterate.

    Your ing is completely misplaced. It's not the people that leaked the info that are necessarily at fault, is the people in charge of securing the do ents that failed miserably at their jobs that you should be angry with.

    This is not a left/right issue as you would like to make it. It's an issue of incompetent people failing to follow basic security protocols, and a system that's in place that it's obviously dated and obsolete. With the advent of public key cryptography and the ability to keep a trust mechanism in place, along with trust revocation when necessary, the fact that somebody can walk in with a pen drive or a CD and walk out with unencrypted secret information is a utter failure of the system and it's watchdogs.

    But since you are more interested in pandering to the ideological aspect of this, instead of the actual problem, you might aswell go back to posting irrelevant YouTube videos with the soundbite of the day.
    Basically this is bull . You think everyone should get mad at the victims. "She shouldn't have worn that short skirt", "He shouldn't have parked his car there" "They should have had bigger locks". Absolutley ridiculous.

    A lock door only keeps the honest people honest. No matter how much security our nations has if someone wants it bad enough, they will get it. After these criminals get caught we punish them. That means punishing the peeps for giving wikileaks the info and the peeps publishing it. They are equal partners.

    This is a national security issue. Glad u recognize but when you throw it in the political ring you will have people choose sides. Never will they agree, even a easy one such as this one. You are being disingenuous. You are a liberal and you are taking the liberal side. It's americas fault. You will "reiterate" your opinion time and time and time again and time and time and time and some more ing time as if you say enough people will believe it.

    Also you and s like you ing about youtubes videos are misplaced. It's not the people posting the videos fault, it's the dildos on them.

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    I hope Bradley Manning goes away for a long, long time.

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    Jack, you know the founder of Wikileaks isn't American right?

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    Jack, you know the founder of Wikileaks isn't American right?
    Of topical relevance: Bradley Manning is.

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    THIS.

    Valerie put her life on the line for this country. And they outed her, endangering her life for political gain.
    She used her government job for political gain.

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    Her government blew her cover to score political points. Had you considered that?

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    What did Valerie Plame do to deserve that?

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    Jack, you know the founder of Wikileaks isn't American right?
    Yup

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    Basically this is bull . You think everyone should get mad at the victims. "She shouldn't have worn that short skirt", "He shouldn't have parked his car there" "They should have had bigger locks". Absolutley ridiculous.
    Your lack understanding of the whole picture is very telling. There are criminals, accessory to the criminals and negligence involved in all this.

    Wearing a short skirt is not a crime. Locking your property is not a crime either. And if you parked in a permitted parking place then you committed no offense either.

    The Wiki guy didn't steal the do ents himself. Somebody within the apparatus of the government/organization did, and that person was able to do it despite the fact that the government/organization spends obscene amounts of resources to keep that data secure. The criminal is the person that pulled the do ents, and all the people tasked in keeping that data secure were negligent and could be accessory to the crime.

    By the time the Wiki guy got the do ents, they were already stolen. IE: The crime was already committed. You could argue he is accessory to the crime in distributing said do ents, but he's far from being the central issue in this problem.

    A lock door only keeps the honest people honest. No matter how much security our nations has if someone wants it bad enough, they will get it. After these criminals get caught we punish them. That means punishing the peeps for giving wikileaks the info and the peeps publishing it. They are equal partners.
    You know absolutely zero about security, especially in the digital age.
    That you think modern encryption is comparable to a lock just really drives the point home.
    If you do things right, it doesn't matter how bad enough you want it, it's simply not possible to get it. Ultimately, the human factor of somebody spilling the beans is what can do you in, but it's a much more mitigated factor than the horde of do ents being exposed. In this day and age, that's preventable.

    This is a national security issue. Glad u recognize but when you throw it in the political ring you will have people choose sides. Never will they agree, even a easy one such as this one. You are being disingenuous. You are a liberal and you are taking the liberal side. It's americas fault. You will "reiterate" your opinion time and time and time again and time and time and time and some more ing time as if you say enough people will believe it.
    I don't blame America as a whole. I blame individuals who are paid to do one job, and one job only, and failed miserably at it. When this happens to the UK government, Russia or whoever else next, you'll be hearing the same tune from me.

    I'm taking the rational side. Being mad/killing the messenger doesn't address the fact that security failed, and failed in a bad, bad way.

    Also you and s like you ing about youtubes videos are misplaced. It's not the people posting the videos fault, it's the dildos on them.
    s and dildos... jack doesn't waste an opportunity to remind everyone of his side...

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    The PFC that leaked the material.
    Do you know for a fact he leaked all this material?

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    She used her government job for political gain.
    Please explain.

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    Well we can't really charge a foreigner with treason.

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    Do you know for a fact he leaked all this material?
    No, but wasn't it previously said that they only released a small portion of what they got from the same unnamed (at the time) source, to be released later?

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    Can you prove she was exposed for political reasons?

    She wasn't. The attempt was to find who the source was. She was involved. Just that simple.

    I know you to be a more intelligent person than most here. Why must you play the liberal lemming?
    I can't prove anything other than the fact that Scooter was a scapegoat for Cheney.

    That said, I have little doubt that Cheney, who was acknowledged by just about everybody as playing some real hardball behind the scenes had her iden y leaked.

    Unless of course you think things went on in Cheney's office that he didn't know about.

    If you want to revisit the whole thing it might be an interesting exercise in showing right wing/left wing spin.

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    No, but wasn't it previously said that they only released a small portion of what they got from the same unnamed (at the time) source, to be released later?
    Not that I know of. AFAIK, they never singled out sources.

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    Well we can't really charge a foreigner with treason.
    Tru dat

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    Your lack understanding of the whole picture is very telling. There are criminals, accessory to the criminals and negligence involved in all this.

    Wearing a short skirt is not a crime. Locking your property is not a crime either. And if you parked in a permitted parking place then you committed no offense either.

    The Wiki guy didn't steal the do ents himself. Somebody within the apparatus of the government/organization did, and that person was able to do it despite the fact that the government/organization spends obscene amounts of resources to keep that data secure. The criminal is the person that pulled the do ents, and all the people tasked in keeping that data secure were negligent and could be accessory to the crime.

    By the time the Wiki guy got the do ents, they were already stolen. IE: The crime was already committed. You could argue he is accessory to the crime in distributing said do ents, but he's far from being the central issue in this problem.



    You know absolutely zero about security, especially in the digital age.
    That you think modern encryption is comparable to a lock just really drives the point home.
    If you do things right, it doesn't matter how bad enough you want it, it's simply not possible to get it. Ultimately, the human factor of somebody spilling the beans is what can do you in, but it's a much more mitigated factor than the horde of do ents being exposed. In this day and age, that's preventable.



    I don't blame America as a whole. I blame individuals who are paid to do one job, and one job only, and failed miserably at it. When this happens to the UK government, Russia or whoever else next, you'll be hearing the same tune from me.

    I'm taking the rational side. Being mad/killing the messenger doesn't address the fact that security failed, and failed in a bad, bad way.



    s and dildos... jack doesn't waste an opportunity to remind everyone of his side...
    My liberal education will have to wait for another day. I couldn't get past one of your first lines, again.

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    My liberal education will have to wait for another day. I couldn't get past one of your first lines, again.
    There's nothing liberal in my post.
    But props for not bringing up your gay tendencies one more time

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    There's nothing liberal in my post.
    But props for not bringing up your gay tendencies one more time

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