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Ok I'll say it first. How the does Bonner get a D?
Ok I'll say it first. How the does Bonner get a D?
Pop deserves his grade.
LOL... another thread shot to with this discussion?
Pop did not turn his swag on tonight, tbh.
I couldn't resist. It's like when you read threads on other boards where people say "first!".
I would go:
Duncan- F
Manu- C-
Parker- F
Jefferson: B-
Blair: C+
Hill: C+
Bonner: F
Neal: B+
McDyess: D+
Splitter: C
Udoka: INCOMPLETE..I can't grade him as an NBA player, he isn't supposed to be in this league, so I won't grade him..
Pop: F
Agree with most scores but I think Bonner and Udoka should have gotten an F. They both did nothing but hurt the team.
I agree about being alarming that kind of fatigue on Dec 1st. At that rate we'll be done by February. Either they got too comfy after beating the Warriors or nobody slept during the trip to LA. Couple of players looked like mentally checked out of the game at times, with TP pretty much all the game. We'll see how they bounce back.
Thanks for the writeup
I THINK Bonner should get a U!!Unqualified
Of course Splitter is going to try to do too much. This genius coach has messed him up. The better he plays, the less he plays. So now he probably figures he's got to do something extra or something special to play more, rather than just doing what he was doing. It's only natural.
The plug should have been pulled on Duncan early in this one. His legs were practically glued to the ground and he was playing against two pogo sticks. Bad combination.
I'd like to see a concerted effort next game to have Parker shoulder the load. It can't be the Ginobili show every game or he'll probably (I won't say definitively, like so many make it seem) burn out. More than any other player, Parker needs to get this team through the regular season.
Bonner defended Griffin as well as anyone else did tbh.
Yeah, I'm leaning closer to this scoring. I thought RJ and Neal were the only two worth rescuing from tonights game.
Ummm, no he didn't.
Tiago at least made Griffin pass the ball out of the post instead of just dunking every single time he touched it.
This...Ummm, no he didn't.
Tiago at least made Griffin pass the ball out of the post instead of just dunking every single time he touched it.
I thought Blair did pretty good too, anticipating a couple of the entry passes. I mean, good in relative terms. At least by the time the beast sat down we were up 9.
Only reason Bonner doesn't get an F is because Pop absorbed some of the failing grade for putting him in unbelievably bad positions.
Yeah, but he's got young, fresh legs, is eager to play and can at least somewhat protect the rim. Who needs any of those things? It's more fun to surrounded the one guy who can protect the rim (who couldn't do it tonight, only because he could barely move, to the point of being statue-esque) with an ice cold, one dimensional player.Ummm, no he didn't.
Tiago at least made Griffin pass the ball out of the post instead of just dunking every single time he touched it.
That's the problem with this coach. If this one was going to be a win, it was clear it was going to be because of youthful exuberance. Naturally, he went with a rotation that featured as little of those things as possible and let three-point shooting (with dead legged players, no less) decide the outcome.
But Pop didn't play Tiago when it mattered did he? He played Bonner.Ummm, no he didn't.
Tiago at least made Griffin pass the ball out of the post instead of just dunking every single time he touched it.
And . . . Griffin dunked all over everybody tonight. Sorry. It's true.
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While it was frustrating to see us lose, this was really a non issue. Clippers were hot while the Spurs were cold. Bound to happen, I was personally hoping pop would just rest the starters, esp after that timeout around 1:30secs.
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I'd like to see a concerted effort next game to have Parker shoulder the load. It can't be the Ginobili show every game or he'll probably (I won't say definitively, like so many make it seem) burn out. More than any other player, Parker needs to get this team through the regular season.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think TP can't be more tired than Manu?
TP can help but he isn't 25 anymore and he has a lot of mileage in his legs.After One month of regular season He doesn't look much better than last year even resting the summer.
And of course we were playing a back to back so we can expect our players can be fresh in the 4th quarter even if they were 25
I don't expect Splitter to play well against Griffin..I don't judge Bonner for his defense against Griffin either, that's unfair..
It pretty much comes down to a simple preference..I listed Splitter's possessions in the game thread..there was mixed results, as expected, but there has been a trend with Splitter..
While Splitter has made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes, his defense has been fairly good all year IMO..it has been surprising to me, especially since he has little chemistry with the guys, and doesn't know the system yet..remember, Jefferson and McDyess struggled to pick up the defensive system all year last season, always looking lost on rotations..Splitter has looked surprisingly good for a new guy, from a defensive standpoint, since this system is tough to pick up..
Bonner can give you more good than Splitter WHEN HIS SHOT IS ON..when Matt Bonner is on fire, he's the 2nd best big for the Spurs, without question IMO..his 3s usually come in flurries, and he puts up points in bunches, which is part of the reason his +/- is always so high..however, he clearly goes through stretches where he has absolutely no confidence, and we've already seen what he does in big games..right now, Bonner is clearly in a stretch where he has no confidence..he's passing up shots, hesitating, missing..
It's high risk/high reward vs. consistency..
If the Spurs are serious about becoming a defensive team again, obviously Splitter over Bonner should be a no-brainer..while Splitter's offense has been relatively poor so far, we already know that he's going to give energy, mobility and size on defense..
Is the potential of Bonner getting hot from the 3-point line more valuable than Splitter's consistent defensive presence?..that's pretty much what it comes down to IMO..
Right now, the Spurs might be needing the extra offensive boost, since Anderson is out..however, when he returns, is Bonner's shooting really that important?..with Manu, Neal, Anderson, the improved RJ, Hill..do the Spurs really need another 3-point shooter over a defender?..
I defend Bonner all the time, so I'm not looking to keep him on the bench completely..however, it's pretty obvious that Pop is unable to have him out as a spark or feeler, and then bench him if he struggles..he seems immune to this, just like Finley was..I would love for Pop to play Bonner based on situational purposes, but it just doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen..
where the trade parker thread at?
You just know, people are starting to feel that way.. I said it as a joke few games ago.
I think tonights game put Bonners defense on full display. I just dont understand why Blair or Splitter wasn't given a chance with Bonner struggling tonight. It really is unfair to put Bonner and Griffin or ask him to guard Gordon on the swtich. Im sure that doesn't help Bonners confidence either, getting repeatedly abused like that. Timmy had a poor game but he was going 2 on 1 most of that 4th quarter... hard to fault him as well.
Clippers were hot? They scored 90. They did shoot 49%, though, not surprising since with each passing game, every team seems to shoot higher and higher percentages against this team. They keep this up, they'll be allowing teams to shoot close to 50% against them for the season. Right now, they're closing in on 47 and they already allow 40% from three, both deplorable marks that won't cut it against elite or near elite teams in the playoffs.
This team needs to start blowing some teams out or at least get blown out themselves. Every game can't be some nip-and-tuck game, where they pull away late. That requires too many minutes from too many key players.
If the Timberwolves game isn't essentially over by halftime in favor of the Spurs, then no matter the outcome, it'll be a loss. That's how this team has to start measuring themselves. It shouldn't take 30-35 minutes and 20-25 points from Ginobili to beat that team, yet that's probably exactly what it'll take.
I didn't say he can't be, but he shouldn't be. And even if he is, I don't care. He needs to be the guy carrying this team more often than not. Especially in situations like this. Second game of a back to back, playing a team, clearly Duncan and Ginobili didn't have it.
Ginobili is 33 and also has a lot of mileage on his legs. What's your point? I don't find fatigue is the issue with Parker, it's more so he's the type who's energy and all around game suffers when he's not a major part of the offense. Right now, he's almost relegated to being a spot up shooter because it's all Ginobili, all the time.
Fresh or not, this was a very winnable game. No excuses. That type of loser at ude will have this team as a 3 seed by the end of the season instead of a 1 seed, which is clearly there for the taking.
Harlem, it's clear this coach isn't serious about being a defensive team again. He proved it again tonight. He'd rather rely on three-point shooting than defense. That's why he's the biggest impediment to this team winning a championship this season. That type of philosophy will have this team eliminated at the hands of the Lakers, if they even get to them.
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