Obama gets pantsed by Wikileaks.

[Winehole23]

I don't know how this is at all related to my post. Another unfortunate tangent, I'm assuming?

It could be deliberate. WC is good at getting other posters off-point.

[jack sommerset]

Looks like someone got a wanted poster...........for rape!!! LOL. Yes it's funny, it's goddamn funny.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ex.html?hpt=T1

[The Reckoning]

rofl. i figured this would happen, but not so soon.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...a-twitter.html

A self-proclaimed "hacktivist" is apparently taking some credit for the Internet attacks that shut down many pages on WikiLeaks.org today.
The hacker, who goes by the name Jester, claims on his blog to have used distributed denial of service attacks to bring down websites in the past -- the same method WikiLeaks says it was hampered by on Sunday and today.

On his blog, Jester describes himself as a"hacktivist for good" and someone who is "obstructing the lines of communication for terrorists, sympathizers, fixers, facilitators, oppressive regimes and other general bad guys."
Hacker fan videos on YouTube, posted on Jester's website, state that "Jester claims to be an ex-military operative -- of which military he hasn't said -- and to have spent time in the Middle East physically fighting the war on terror."

looks like things arent going as wikileaks planned. "ex-hackers" can't protect their own goods.

[LnGrrrR]

looks like things arent going as wikileaks planned. "ex-hackers" can't protect their own goods.

Eh, distributed denial of service attacks can be hard to fight. You can set up your routers to deny responses to pings, but if it looks like legitimate traffic then they might not respond.

ElNoNo knows more about this than I, but DDOS attacks are a pain. That's why people make zombot armies.

The offending IPs will probably be blocked, so the victory is more likely temporary at best. Any hacker worth his salt probably isn't going to admit to hacking; my guess is he just claimed it. (Otherwise, said hacker will probably get hacked in turn, and no matter how good security is, your network can be breached. The only safe network is one that's unplugged from the wall.)

[greyforest]

Somebody should put a bullet in this assholes head. Be done with this foolishness. Those libs that complain, do the same to them.

Yeah! LIE TO US MORE GOVTS! THESE GUYS, KILL THEM!!

[Winehole23]

(too blue)

[Duff McCartney]

I would say most of this occurs because the government keeps chipping away at the free market.

It used to cost nothing but start-up costs to start a business. Any person of little means could succeed with the right approach and idea. That's impossible today. It takes too much money to follow state, federal, county and city regulations. Then the costs of permits, etc. That's just one aspect.

Yeah maybe when the West was still Spanish land did it cost nothing to start up a business. And even then it probably did cost money to start up a business. Sorry but it has never been just start-up costs to start a business. That's one of the foundations of infrastructure in any nation, taxes on property that happen almost immediately after a city is founded.

There may have been a cheap way to start a business, but it was probaby over one or two hundred years ago.

[Duff McCartney]

Think about regulations. How many of them really benefit the public? I see them as normally keeping the rich in power, and hurting the small business.

Alot of them benefit the public. Food safety, fire codes, work safety, regulating work hours.

The only one I would agree with you on that it kept the rich more rich, is the Food safety ones during the 1920's because rather than have businesses pay for the inspection, it fell on the government to pay for it. But then that's not really hurting business if they don't have to pay for it. Be it small or big.

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah maybe when the West was still Spanish land did it cost nothing to start up a business. And even then it probably did cost money to start up a business. Sorry but it has never been just start-up costs to start a business. That's one of the foundations of infrastructure in any nation, taxes on property that happen almost immediately after a city is founded.

There may have been a cheap way to start a business, but it was probaby over one or two hundred years ago.

20 years ago, it was easy to start up a business. Not today.

[Wild Cobra]

Alot of them benefit the public. Food safety, fire codes, work safety, regulating work hours.

Allot of them don't. Regulations have gone overboard. I want to be able to buy whole unpasteurized food. That's almost impossible, and our health as a nation, is suffering.

[ElNono]

Eh, distributed denial of service attacks can be hard to fight. You can set up your routers to deny responses to pings, but if it looks like legitimate traffic then they might not respond.

ElNoNo knows more about this than I, but DDOS attacks are a pain. That's why people make zombot armies.

The offending IPs will probably be blocked, so the victory is more likely temporary at best. Any hacker worth his salt probably isn't going to admit to hacking; my guess is he just claimed it. (Otherwise, said hacker will probably get hacked in turn, and no matter how good security is, your network can be breached. The only safe network is one that's unplugged from the wall.)

DDOS attacks are indeed a pain, but they're truly not sustainable, so they're more of a time shift type of attack than actual permanent damage.
The public way Wikileaks operates though, it doesn't really matter.
Their website is really only a PR front. My understanding is that they use mostly Thor as an anonymous comm gateway, and you would think they use something like PGP for actual communications.
Then again, you would think the military/government would be using similar tech, but it doesn't look like it.

[ElNono]

UPDATE: This is what happens when you're a rook:

WikiLeaks hacker raided by the cops

[The Reckoning]

UPDATE: This is what happens when you're a rook:

WikiLeaks hacker raided by the cops

or maybe not???

http://twitter.com/th3j35t3r

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would say most of this occurs because the government keeps chipping away at the free market.

It used to cost nothing but start-up costs to start a business. Any person of little means could succeed with the right approach and idea. That's impossible today. It takes too much money to follow state, federal, county and city regulations. Then the costs of permits, etc. That's just one aspect.

Think about regulations. How many of them really benefit the public? I see them as normally keeping the rich in power, and hurting the small business.

Anyone have a complete summary of what it takes to start a business these days? This would be enlightening to those who never thought about it before.

God you are ing stupid. You start off with that GOP thought control 'free markets' drivel as if that ideal of a completely free economy is somehow desirable and then you go parts changer on us and talk about ing permits. Permit to what? Install a flywheel?

You do not even have any idea what it actually costs to start a business. You are asking us to try and make your point. A CGL, leasing space, payroll, inventory, cash for purchase orders, etc. These are significant costs. Having to pay to set up an LLC is not.

If you have a payroll of over $1million dollars or consume a ton of energy in manufacturing or the like then you start eating some regulatory costs but then you are no longer a small business.

I have a friend that recently started up a business selling trees to parks and wildlife and he does not have any ing clue what you are talking about.

You're fired.

[RandomGuy]

[Buying whole unpasteurized food] is almost impossible, and our health as a nation, is suffering.

Link?

Please provide proof of the assertion that the nation's health is overall suffering because of an inability to purchase unpasteurized food.

You must quantify both the benefits and the costs of both options.

[LnGrrrR]

Link?

Please provide proof of the assertion that the nation's health is overall suffering because of an inability to purchase unpasteurized food.

You must quantify both the benefits and the costs of both options.

I think those were two semi-related thoughts jammed together. I don't think WC meant the health of our nation is in jeopardy due to lack of ability to buy unpasteurized food.

I think people who want to sell "raw" milk/food should be forced to state that plainly on the front of their products. (Might that be heavy-handed? Sure. Them's the breaks.)

[Winehole23]

I can't stop reading the leaks. No doubt some of the info will cost the lives of innocent people.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/AP...076.php#page-1

[LnGrrrR]

ing nation-to-nation relationships by airing their dirty laundry in public is pretty ballsy.

I'm curious to hear Assange's pretext/rationale for doing so. I'm not quite sure what I would offer as my own if I were in his position. In fact I haven't come up with a single good one yet.

Can you think of one, Yoni?

Drachen?

I can think of one, personally. Obama has gone back on numerous campaign promises. Given this, I think we can question the validity of what he says. While it may not be the "best" method to discover these things, I think it is the "only" method. I'd rather our public leaders thought twice about whatever back deals they're negotiating, if there's a chance that info might leak.

In today's age, I think nearly any government transparency is a good thing.

[Winehole23]

I'd rather our public leaders thought twice about whatever back deals they're negotiating, if there's a chance that info might leak.

Cuts both ways. If foreign counterparties doubt the security of State Department communiques, they might be more reluctant to negotiate with us in good faith.

I like transparency too, but feel a bit torn. Manning's is a US officer, Assange a journalist of sorts. I think it's ok to go after Manning -- he broke his oath; Assange OTOH carries no such responsibility and broke no laws.