America is Held Hostage By Global Private Bankers

[Parker2112]

It sounds like you're one of the idiots I was talking about earlier. You rant and rant and rant about people being "trained" and the system being rigged and do you even understand what you advocate when you talk about liberty?

You need to understand one thing right now:

People have all the freedom they need to make the change happen they just don't care.

Yes, the system is broken as but its not due to anything else other than the people who vote and who they hold (or don't don't) accountable. There's no one to a gun to this nations head other than the nations own citizens. Yet, you somehow believe that the source of the problem is outside the nations borders in the people who take advantage of this and other nations.

When people really get fed up and decide to hold their leaders accountable then something will change. When they get fed up and decide to actually learn about the system and how to enact change they will.

If the people of this country were interested in addressing the actual concerns of this nation then they would do so and there would be nothing any banker in Europe or anywhere else could do about it. But the fact of the matter is that they're too interested in dancing with the stars and other mundane to actually take control.

Its not that this country needs more liberty, its that this country doesn't take advantage of the liberty it already has.

Not even close.

If people in this country wanted to get their country back, they would have to hope they could raise a higher bid than those already in line. And how can they ever do that? They cant keep a job, a home, their health.

Please, Manny. Please.

And whats with all these big letters?

[MannyIsGod]

Not even close.

If people in this country wanted to get their country back, they would have to hope they could raise a higher bid than those already in line. And how can they ever do that? They cant keep a job, a home, their health.

Please, Manny. Please.

And whats with all these big letters?

What the do they need to raise money for? The money is used to buy the simple peoples votes with ty sound bite commercials they fall for. In any case, the average person donating 20 dollars would raise more than enough money to win any modern campaign.

What you're telling me is that average person can't spend 20 dollars on their country?

You don't want to put any blame on the people because it completely undermines your libertarian dream. How can people who can't function in a democracy ever function in a libertarian system?

[CosmicCowboy]

You mean federal government, I assume. Unless, of course, you've forgotten about property tax, sales tax, gas tax, etc...

I'm not sure why you guys want to keep arguing this point. Yes, I am talking about FEDERAL taxes.

Half the people in the country don't pay them, thus they view excessive federal spending as something that simply doesn't effect them, or even benefits them.

Having to write a big check to the IRS on April 15 tends to change peoples perception on Federal spending.

[MannyIsGod]

Because you're wrong even with FEDERAL Taxes. You completely ignore the points I made in the post.

Yeah, Having to write a big check to the IRS changes peoples perceptions. So does having to live on 25,000 a year. Don't be so myopic.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hey Manny, I posted a thread for you in the club.

[CosmicCowboy]

Because you're wrong even with FEDERAL Taxes. You completely ignore the points I made in the post.

Yeah, Having to write a big check to the IRS changes peoples perceptions. So does having to live on 25,000 a year. Don't be so myopic.

Living on $25,000 a year is a choice.

Even the lowliest fast food fry cook can get to be manager eventually if he applies himself.

[boutons_deux]

"when the people don't even use the freedom they have no effectively"

Come on, MIG, you're not that naive.

Citizens have been totally disenfranchised. No matter which radical DC wrecker they think they are electing, every one of them is corrupted when they arrive in DC by the corporate/VRWC money machine.

eg, tea baggers and Repugs raised earmarks as a campaign whining point, but tea bagger supported candidates have filed $1B request for earmarks.

A tea bagger leader wants to disenfranchise further, you know the "inalienable rights", by restricting voting to property owners, just like in original Cons ution.

Next up: no wimmen, no s, no Asians, no s can vote, only wealthy Euro-American land owners. iow, the oligarchy perpetuating the oligarchy.

[boutons_deux]

Another example of Repugs (and Dems) ignoring their supporters, and faking "radical mandates" when none has been granted

CBS Poll Finds Only 46 Percent Of Republicans Support GOP’s Stand On Extending Bush Tax Cuts For Rich

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/03/gop-base-tax-cuts/

[Parker2112]

What the do they need to raise money for? The money is used to buy the simple peoples votes with ty sound bite commercials they fall for. In any case, the average person donating 20 dollars would raise more than enough money to win any modern campaign.

What you're telling me is that average person can't spend 20 dollars on their country?

You don't want to put any blame on the people because it completely undermines your libertarian dream. How can people who can't function in a democracy ever function in a libertarian system?

And you dont give sufficient weight to the ever-growing disparity in wealth and privilege when discussing political clout and access to politicians and the political process.

you would rather view the electorate as a stupid lot of lazy bas s.

You also neglect to acknowledge the time required for the "common" men and women to do the important stuff: holding down a job/s, caring for kids, household responsibilities....for the average family they just dont have the time to focus on politics the way a budding young meteoroligist can between classes

[Parker2112]

Another example of Repugs (and Dems) ignoring their supporters, and faking "radical mandates" when none has been granted....

Thats what I was waiting for

[MannyIsGod]

And you dont give sufficient weight to the ever-growing disparity in wealth and privilege when discussing political clout and access to politicians and the political process.

you would rather view the electorate as a stupid lot of lazy bas s.

You also neglect to acknowledge the time required for the "common" men and women to do the important stuff: holding down a job/s, caring for kids, household responsibilities....for the average family they just dont have the time to focus on politics the way a budding young meteoroligist can between classes

You are so bad at reading. I mean you're flat out terrible, Parker. In thread after thread after thread you about something that has been addressed. You should read my posts in this thread.

Yeah, I have tons of time in between working 30 hours a week, a full time college workload, and studying. I don't know what to do with all my extra time.

In any event, if those people have such little time to educate themselves on the process how do you expect a libertarian society to work? That is the point you ultimately miss.

[MannyIsGod]

Its no secret that the GOP and Dems ignore their supporters. Its also no secret that at the ballot box those representatives aren't held accountable.

[MannyIsGod]

Living on $25,000 a year is a choice.

Even the lowliest fast food fry cook can get to be manager eventually if he applies himself.

Eventually. So in the meantime he's choosing to make 25,000.

[Parker2112]

You are so bad at reading. I mean you're flat out terrible, Parker. In thread after thread after thread you about something that has been addressed. You should read my posts in this thread.

Yeah, I have tons of time in between working 30 hours a week, a full time college workload, and studying. I don't know what to do with all my extra time.

In any event, if those people have such little time to educate themselves on the process how do you expect a libertarian society to work? That is the point you ultimately miss.

Lol pot calling the kettle black...

If you go back and read my posts on libertarian philosophy, you realize all the bull about "libertarian society" being too demanding of the average joe has already been dealt with...yet you continue to repeat that crap daily. Its like a self propogating mythical conclusory argument propogated amongst you and the rest of the progressives on this board to deal with something none of you care to understand.

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly could give two s about your posts on libertarian philosophy because you don't seem to have a firm grasp on what libertarian philosophy is. You love to champion it and you obviously have a crush on Ron Paul but its obvious you don't actually subscribe to libertarian ideals when you bring up government intervention. There's a reason every intelligent person on this board clashes with you on this subject and its not because we're all misunderstanding you.

You know, when EVERYONE is clashing with you then you might want to stop blaming it on everyone else. Just a thought.

[MannyIsGod]

Libertarian Party Platform. You might want to take some time to actually read it.

http://www.lp.org/platform

. The only proper role of
government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a
legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute
wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

. The only proper role of
government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a
legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute
wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

We favor free-market banking, with unrestricted compe ion among banks and depository
ins utions of all types. Individuals engaged in voluntary exchange should be free to use as money
any mutually agreeable commodity or item. We support a halt to inflationary monetary policies and
uncons utional legal tender laws.

[Parker2112]

I honestly could give two s about your posts on libertarian philosophy....

and you want someone to read your posts?

...because you don't seem to have a firm grasp on what libertarian philosophy is. You love to champion it and you obviously have a crush on Ron Paul but its obvious you don't actually subscribe to libertarian ideals when you bring up government intervention. There's a reason every intelligent person on this board clashes with you on this subject and its not because we're all misunderstanding you.

You know, when EVERYONE is clashing with you then you might want to stop blaming it on everyone else. Just a thought.

It draws criticism because it contradicts the right and left. And I openly ridicule both sides every day. And I could give a about the backlash, because its expected. And you and your other we-need-big-govt-to-combat-global-warming crowd can never advocate for reduction of federal govt because of your own biases. So your stance on libertarian school of thought is entirely predictable as well.

As for what the libertarian platform is, why dont you spend some of your precious time and point to some place I contradicted it?

When you realize you cant, then feel free to kill all that ing noise.

[Parker2112]

Libertarian Party Platform. You might want to take some time to actually read it.

http://www.lp.org/platform

oh .

Do you understand the implications of the Federal Reserve on true compe ion amongst banks? Do you understand the implications of ending the fed and putting currency control in the hands of the treasury, where the cons ution prescribes? Do you understand why I have advocated for an audit of the fed? Do you ing understand that the fed is anything BUT free compe ion?

Ignorance on full display. If you cant figure out the party line, then just ing stop Manny. Stop with the bull theories about a platform you have yet to comprehend, much less the implications on society, and go back to Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart for your next marching orders. The idea is too big for you bud.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Even if this country were smart, educated, voting, non-apathetic, it is insanely naive to believe the people at the top would not still be screwing us.

[MannyIsGod]

oh .

Do you understand the implications of the Federal Reserve on true compe ion amongst banks? Do you understand the implications of ending the fed and putting currency control in the hands of the treasury, where the cons ution prescribes? Do you understand why I have advocated for an audit of the fed? Do you ing understand that the fed is anything BUT free compe ion?

Ignorance on full display. If you cant figure out the party line, then just ing stop Manny. Stop with the bull theories about a platform you have yet to comprehend, much less the implications on society, and go back to Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart for your next marching orders. The idea is too big for you bud.

Was I ever arguing in favor of the fed? I've read about the libertarian platform for much longer than you have. Didn't you say you were a recent convert?

And you'd LOVE to think everyone argues with you because you slam both left and right but most of the posters here have problems with both the left and the right. You have built yourself up so much in your own head. There is a reason why everyone argues with you Parker. Ignore it if you'd like.

[MannyIsGod]

Even if this country were smart, educated, voting, non-apathetic, it is insanely naive to believe the people at the top would not still be screwing us.

Why? Don't we have the problem to remove those people who screw us? Explain how a public which you just mentioned would allow that to happen.

CBF do you think people like you put Bush into power? Or do you think it was the ignorant masses?

[MannyIsGod]

and you want someone to read your posts?




It draws criticism because it contradicts the right and left. And I openly ridicule both sides every day. And I could give a about the backlash, because its expected. And you and your other we-need-big-govt-to-combat-global-warming crowd can never advocate for reduction of federal govt because of your own biases. So your stance on libertarian school of thought is entirely predictable as well.

As for what the libertarian platform is, why dont you spend some of your precious time and point to some place I contradicted it?

When you realize you cant, then feel free to kill all that ing noise.

I have almost always advocated the reduction of federal government and I have a long posting history in this very forum that says as much.

Try again.

As for when you contradicted it you've done so in every thread where you have called for government action and that is quite a few threads. You've done so in this thread:

the last few generations have been trained to tune out of reality all together. never have the distractions been so numerous as now. recreational technology is making slaves of young people more and more each day. its no wonder no one gives a .

Also: Cosmic Cowboy is owning your ass on that tax argument, you just dont want to admit it.

Libertarian philosophy and your first paragraph are completely inconsistent.

[MannyIsGod]

you guys all miss the boat. Handle it in the courts. How is that a huge hole? EPA is more subject to administration pressure than judges.

It would require more diligence by private activist groups to monitor activities. And regulation can still happen. But the govt has not kept this country environmentally safe. Look at the Gulf.

LP Platform

We realize that our planet's climate is constantly changing, but environmental advocates and social pressure are the most effective means of changing public behavior.

Inconsisent

Edit: I'll expand on this. Courts are a government en y which require regulation in order to operate. You must have a standard or laws in order for them to function. They are part of the government no matter how you slice it.

The libertarian party doesn't want these issues decided by the government in court. They want social and free market pressures to decide this. In other words, if Company A makes a product in a clean way and Company B makes it in a dirty way they don't want people to sue Company B they want them to simply not purchase the product.

A solution in the courts is completely out of whack with what the Libertarian Party wants.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not interested in looking further back, but as I said Parker there is a reason you clash with everyone and considering most here bear little or no allegiance to either party you trying to say its because you bash both parties is laughable.

Considering you've named yourself a recent libertarian (unless I'm mistaken?) many here have been discussing the pros and cons of libertarianism for almost a decade in this forum I really don't think that has even the slightest bit of merit.

[Parker2112]

LP Platform



Inconsisent

Edit: I'll expand on this. Courts are a government en y which require regulation in order to operate. You must have a standard or laws in order for them to function. They are part of the government no matter how you slice it.

The libertarian party doesn't want these issues decided by the government in court. They want social and free market pressures to decide this. In other words, if Company A makes a product in a clean way and Company B makes it in a dirty way they don't want people to sue Company B they want them to simply not purchase the product.

A solution in the courts is completely out of whack with what the Libertarian Party wants.

been reading it for years eh?

The lynchpin of the libertarian approach is protecting private rights in court, rather than through a bloated administrative agency.

Evidently you dont know about libertarian platform, manny. Keeping deluding yourself.