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Read the Cato brief I posted then come back.
You realize that the Libertarian platform is to repeal those laws, right?
Read the Cato brief I posted then come back.
what "laws" are you talking about? the ones that allow you to sue a polluter for spoiling a public resource, as in standing granted by the SC?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends..._Services,_Inc.
how would libertarians manage to take that off the books, fool?
this was a case of riparian landowners suing to enforce their rights to a public water bodyThe Court held that the plaintiff residents in the area of South Carolina's North Tyger River had standing to sue an industrial polluter, against whom various deterrent civil penalties were being pursued. Standing was properly based on the fact that the residents alleged that they would have used the river for recreational purposes, but could not because of the pollution.
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now that Ive informed you of rights you didnt know you had, get to work and go sue some polluters
two difft scenarios here: 1)private citizen sues private party over pollution to public resource, or 2) private citizen sues govt to enforce laws.
#1: standing does the trick. that and tons of cash.
#2:nyou need statutory grant of private enforcement or your sol.
Im out. get ta' sue'in.
Libertarians don't want that type of ruling. You need to read the platform and the brief I listed. You seem to think that somehow posting a ruling in a non libertarian form of government somehow enhances the libertarian party's position and I can't for the life of me understand why.
ah but they do, because those are private property rights (believe it or not) at stake.
and man, cato ins ute? that bunch of vieled neo-cons? what the do they have to do with true libertarians, who are completely anti-war? thats what i get for not paying attention...you're citing neocon sources to talk about Paul?
the cato ins ute.
they dont give two s about Ron Paul:
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/...ind-of-person/
http://wizbangpolitics.com/2008/01/1...s-ron-paul.php
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/130382
Cato Ins ute Historically Has Rejected Ron Paul
Submitted by Doug Eberhardt on Tue, 03/30/2010 - 21:34 in
There was someone who was asking about Cato Ins ute awhile back, but it seems that the ability to respond to that thread has ended.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/115633
Lately, I have been reading some folks on LewRockwell.com criticizing the connections of the Cato Ins ute and in particular, today, a comment by Thomas DiLorenzo that kind of brings one's views about them to their proper conclusion.
In a nuts , the Cato Ins ute is a Libertarian organization that hasn't invited Ron Paul to speak in over 27 years, but has invited "dozens, perhaps hundreds" folks from the Fed to speak. That and they are partially funded by "the biggest Republican donors in the world," the Koch brothers who are presently funding Rand Paul's opponent, Trey Grayson.
Details from http://LewRockwell.com:
Koch Brothers Fund Trey Grayson’s Campaign
Posted by Lew Rockwell on March 30, 2010 08:44 AM
I have it on very good authority that Charles and David Koch, the ex-libertarian oil plutocrats of Wichita, Kansas, are helping bankroll neocon Trey Grayson’s senate campaign in Kentucky against Rand Paul. Grayson, who has been endorsed by Cheney, is the protege of Mitch McConnell, the Bob Dole of Kentucky. Dole was also a favorite of the Kochs. This all makes twisted sense, since the Kochs are—says the BBC’s Greg Palast—the biggest Republican donors in the world, officially and otherwise. Of course, they support, and massively profit from, the regime. BTW, one hobby of the Kochs is their anti-Ron Paul “libertarian” Beltway movement.
UPDATE Thanks to Justin Raimondo for this, which—btw—is only a small part of their funding.
UPDATE from Butler Shaffer:
I’m still impressed by the late Sam Konkin’s characterization of this crowd as “the Kochtopus.”Koch Industries Expenditure Detail
Friends Of Trey Grayson, Ft Mitc , KY
$1,000
2010 Primary
11/16/09
Friends Of Trey Grayson, Ft Mitc , KY
$4,000
2010 Primary
11/16/09
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on March 30, 2010 12:43 PM
Another example of the Kochtopus/GOP (excuse me for repeating myself) animus toward Ron Paul is that one of the D.C. tentacles of the Kochtopus, the “libertarian” Cato Ins ute, has held an annual monetary conference for 27 straight years now, and has never once invited the most famous libertarian critic of central banking, Ron Paul, to speak. On the other hand, dozens — perhaps hundreds — of Fed bureaucrats have bloviated at these conferences for nearly three decades.
Stuki, I'm writing a comment to you here because of the spam filters not allowing me to reply to your post below.
is with their support, along with the others I mentioned in my YAL post below, for the war.
I did mention that there are some commonalities, but I can't choose the love of war and deat h over life and liberty. Neither can the Lew Rockwell crowd.
What does Cato, Heritage Foundation, FreedomWorks, and the other Koch supported organizations have against life?
get your straight Manny. your citing run of the mill republican crap to attack the Ron Paul Libertarian movement.
The Cato Ins ute is a bunch of NeoCons?
I'm going to take a guess that you were introduced to Libertarianism during Ron Paul's recent presidential campaign. Am I right?
Thats some funny right there. You somehow think Ron Paul is the Libertarian Jesus sent to spread the new gospel.
Ron Paul is far from the center of the libertarian universe. I hate to break it to you, but Libertarianism is far greater than Ron Paul.
Yeah, the Cato Ins ute really rejects Ron Paul.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8828
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11709
Ron Paul SPEAKING at the Cato Ins ute.
http://www.cato.org/weekly/index.php?vid_id=113
I'm fairly certain at this point you had no ing clue about Cato until I posted it earlier. Then you decided to go googling it and you found that above. You should use google better.
Here, let me help
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...88cb887e893d25
Cato rejects Ron Paul huh?
God damn they reject Ron Paul.In some ways Ron Paul is the antidote for every problem that plagued Republicans in 2006: Voters were tired of Republican corruption, and Ron Paul has never suc bed to the temptations of Washington.
http://www.cato.org/homepage_item.php?id=680
When are you going to address the info I posted earlier? Maybe, never? So you post a few articles from their webpage where they mention his views?
maybe point out the part where they actually endorse him for anything but a chance for republicans to reconsider their policies since Reagan, and you might have supported your contention. otherwise....
when did they endorse him? again...
And does every person who claims to be a republican support Bush?
So is Ron Paul Libertarian or not? So, its not enough to agree with Paul to call myself a libertarian? I cant be a "real" Libertarian till I agree with the libertarian materials you throw in my face? You've gotta be tin me holmes....
No dude this financial crisis has opened my eyes wider than I ever thought possible. And while theres no doubt a load of Americans just want their Apple products to have great apps, and just want to jack off on fantasy football, etc....I have no ing doubt the outcome would be the same regardless of us, the American people. I believe the modern world is where it is partly because of the stupidity and indifference and apathy of the common person but I think the major part of it is that the people with money controlling everything are going to do whatever they want, and can morph their actions for the situation to make themselves look as clean as possible.
Even if we play hypotheticals and say "what if americans were smart, voting, involved" etc. Well where would the start-off point be?
Like you said with Bush....well Gore was a candidate too. And the way most those lemming Democrats folded all-so Democrat-like to agree on going to War, even if Gore had been elected we would have invaded at least one country. The economical-political calculus practically dicatated that America needed a major conflict at that point in time. Clinton was setting NATO precedents in minor conflicts while carefully ignoring others. I do not see that as a coincidence. It was all part of a larger tapestry of a plan.
It's all a big ing game, and the American/Western middle class is the inevitable loser. We are the biggest source of wealth in the world, and the bottom line is they want it. And what have we seen ever since America was the indisputable number 1 power in this world? A obscenely direct, forced, rushed sapping of the wealth of the Western middle-class. By their/our own ing leaders. Almost every major piece of legislation in America has been sapping away life of the middle class.
If we all somehow got smarter and involved and lobbied, protested, wrote congressmen, at some point in this decade....no end result would have come out of it. They would do what they want, maybe it would take longer, maybe they would present the legislation differently but the actual result would be the same.
If we all saw the emperor were wearing no clothes, and went out and did something about it....you'd see rioting on the streets kinda like in Europe (where say what you will, but at least they have the balls to tell their people they need to make the cuts they need to make, and the people have the balls to actually RIOT). And what has that rioting done? Nothing. And it never will. Because the framework is already in place in America for our own police and armed forces to mark rioters as terrorists and do whatever the they want with us, legally, and make dissidents disappear.
And the people actually enforcing this will enforce it because jobs are becoming scarcer, and scarcer, and they just will want to earn their living and go home at the end of the day.
It's going to take an armageddon-like scenario for people in America to truly riot in a fashion that will illicit some change, but by then everyone is already a loser, them and us.
It's a rigged game, they have rigged it, they are going to win it, and we are going to lose it. It always was a rigged game, we never had any chance to win.
And when you get a chance, why dont you deal with this:
Cato Ins ute Historically Has Rejected Ron Paul
Submitted by Doug Eberhardt on Tue, 03/30/2010 - 21:34 in
There was someone who was asking about Cato Ins ute awhile back, but it seems that the ability to respond to that thread has ended.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/115633
Lately, I have been reading some folks on LewRockwell.com criticizing the connections of the Cato Ins ute and in particular, today, a comment by Thomas DiLorenzo that kind of brings one's views about them to their proper conclusion.
In a nuts , the Cato Ins ute is a Libertarian organization that hasn't invited Ron Paul to speak in over 27 years, but has invited "dozens, perhaps hundreds" folks from the Fed to speak. That and they are partially funded by "the biggest Republican donors in the world," the Koch brothers who are presently funding Rand Paul's opponent, Trey Grayson.
Details from http://LewRockwell.com:
Koch Brothers Fund Trey Grayson’s Campaign
Posted by Lew Rockwell on March 30, 2010 08:44 AM
I have it on very good authority that Charles and David Koch, the ex-libertarian oil plutocrats of Wichita, Kansas, are helping bankroll neocon Trey Grayson’s senate campaign in Kentucky against Rand Paul. Grayson, who has been endorsed by Cheney, is the protege of Mitch McConnell, the Bob Dole of Kentucky. Dole was also a favorite of the Kochs. This all makes twisted sense, since the Kochs are—says the BBC’s Greg Palast—the biggest Republican donors in the world, officially and otherwise. Of course, they support, and massively profit from, the regime. BTW, one hobby of the Kochs is their anti-Ron Paul “libertarian” Beltway movement.
UPDATE Thanks to Justin Raimondo for this, which—btw—is only a small part of their funding.
UPDATE from Butler Shaffer:
I’m still impressed by the late Sam Konkin’s characterization of this crowd as “the Kochtopus.”Koch Industries Expenditure Detail
Friends Of Trey Grayson, Ft Mitc , KY
$1,000
2010 Primary
11/16/09
Friends Of Trey Grayson, Ft Mitc , KY
$4,000
2010 Primary
11/16/09
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo on March 30, 2010 12:43 PM
Another example of the Kochtopus/GOP (excuse me for repeating myself) animus toward Ron Paul is that one of the D.C. tentacles of the Kochtopus, the “libertarian” Cato Ins ute, has held an annual monetary conference for 27 straight years now, and has never once invited the most famous libertarian critic of central banking, Ron Paul, to speak. On the other hand, dozens — perhaps hundreds — of Fed bureaucrats have bloviated at these conferences for nearly three decades.
Stuki, I'm writing a comment to you here because of the spam filters not allowing me to reply to your post below.
is with their support, along with the others I mentioned in my YAL post below, for the war.
I did mention that there are some commonalities, but I can't choose the love of war and deat h over life and liberty. Neither can the Lew Rockwell crowd.
What does Cato, Heritage Foundation, FreedomWorks, and the other Koch supported organizations have against life?
You don't think a smarter and more involved populace would select better parties and candidates? A populace that didn't doesn't seem very smart or informed to me.
If everyone realize what you did, do you think they would just sit there and take it?
The like the rioting gets dismissed because its a small number of people, CBF. The rest are too ignorant or apathetic to do anything. Its not because of government control.
They love him so much, he wasnt even on the radar during discussion in the last election
The Cato Ins ute on Ron Paul
Posted by Lew Rockwell on January 3, 2008 12:25 PM
Well, not actually on Ron Paul. Publications from the Nation to the Chistian Science Monitor have commented on the disdain for Ron that permeates the Beltway libertarian establshment. But today, at the Cato Ins ute, he doesn’t even exist:
“For the Republicans, it’s a battle to take-on Rudy Giuliani on Super Tuesday. Mike Huckabee must win Iowa, as he won’t be winning New Hampshire. Mitt Romney’s traditional early state strategy will be in tatters if he loses tonight, as he faces the prospect of losing next week to John McCain. Which leaves Fred Thompson, if he’s still in the race, waiting on South Carolina to restart his plodding campaign. Separate winners in Iowa and New Hampshire may strongly reposition Giuliani, despite a dwindling national lead, to face-down his divided, socially conservative opposition.” (Thanks to Becky Akers.)
first page google search. maybe you're "superior google skills" missed it lofl
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
It's not like I've personally stopped voting, etc. I have actually stopped following politics as much as I used to, and lately been following money and trying to make more of it during this crazy market. But when I really really delve into the way this works, I just can't help it but fully believe the powers-that-be would just press even harder if the populace pressed them. There's just wayyy too much money at stake here. And money always rules.
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