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    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    It's not like I've personally stopped voting, etc. I have actually stopped following politics as much as I used to, and lately been following money and trying to make more of it during this crazy market. But when I really really delve into the way this works, I just can't help it but fully believe the powers-that-be would just press even harder if the populace pressed them. There's just wayyy too much money at stake here. And money always rules.
    I don't totally disagree with you, but I pretty much think its impossible for this type of situation to occur with an educated and informed population. I don't believe there is any large systematic control of the population going on at all I just think that people are able to manipulate the system at their will if they have the resources because the people are asleep at the wheel.

    When you have a small group of people with resources manipulating the system to their collective good it can very much come across as a conspiracy even when its not.

    It's like a department store with no police around experiencing looting CBF. All the people are in there stealing from it, but they're not working together in some vast criminal conspiracy.

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    MANNY: When you have a small group of people with resources manipulating the system to their collective good it can very much come across as a conspiracy even when its not.
    con·spir·a·cy - any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

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    I don't totally disagree with you, but I pretty much think its impossible for this type of situation to occur with an educated and informed population. I don't believe there is any large systematic control of the population going on at all I just think that people are able to manipulate the system at their will if they have the resources because the people are asleep at the wheel.

    When you have a small group of people with resources manipulating the system to their collective good it can very much come across as a conspiracy even when its not.

    It's like a department store with no police around experiencing looting CBF. All the people are in there stealing from it, but they're not working together in some vast criminal conspiracy.
    See but I think it's impossible for a population to be fully educated and informed so in a sense I think we're both talking hypotheticals.

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    100%? Of course, but at what point does it become unachievable and at what point does it turn the tide? if I know but if the people aren't the ones who are going to change the system then boutons is right and we're all just ed.

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    I'm not saying every person rigging and winning the system is trying to control us perse, but I do think enough of them have so much to lose if the people rebel that there will be blood in the streets if we all rose up and tried to do something about it.

    The Patriot Act's Orwellian provisions were not a coincidence they were by design and we are seeing why. The lobbying winners were hedging their bets, covering their bases.

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    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    It's not like I've personally stopped voting, etc. I have actually stopped following politics as much as I used to, and lately been following money and trying to make more of it during this crazy market. But when I really really delve into the way this works, I just can't help it but fully believe the powers-that-be would just press even harder if the populace pressed them. There's just wayyy too much money at stake here. And money always rules.
    When you delve into the way it works, you'll see that it's simply a lack of organization. The powerful intrests are simply better organized and they've successfully attacked and removed any counterbalance to their primary objective of generating profit at any cost. Organized labor, dismantled. Science that doesn't advance or hinders their ability to profit, ignored.

    Having a well organized and expertly executed objective is not a rigged game though. It's simply business, which is what they do best. Fortunately we live in a democracy where these issues can be addressed, but they'll only be addressed through an informed well organized populace.

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