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Yes, but that does not make him a conservative. Just someone who the freedom hating left wanted to get rid of.
When it comes to matters of defence and national security, Lieberman definitely holds conservative viewpoints.
Yes, but that does not make him a conservative. Just someone who the freedom hating left wanted to get rid of.
"Freedom hating left" is a bit hyperbolic, don't you think?
Yes, but we are all en led once in a while...
Eh, at least you admit it.
The United States is pleased to announce that it will host UNESCO’s World Press Freedom Day event in 2011
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm
We've always been at war with Eastasia
Double plus ungood times fourteen mini-plenty...
That would be so uncomfortableThe United States is pleased to announce that it will host UNESCO’s World Press Freedom Day event in 2011
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm
Feds better move fast, looks like the Swedish case may be leaking badly.
Assange accuser flees to Middle East, may not be cooperating with police
One of the two Swedish women who have filed sex complaints against the founder of WikiLeaks has reportedly left Sweden and may no longer be cooperating with the criminal investigation.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/a...rating-police/
Julian Assange Extradition Faces Hurdles
Some of the WikiLeaks critics who cheered founder Julian Assange's arrest may want to think again. The prospect of Assange being sent to Sweden in a sex-crimes inquiry may make it less likely that he'll wind up before an American judge,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1...tml?view=print
The U.S.'s Weak Legal Case Against WikiLeaks
obstacle: The First Amendment. Thanks to nearly a century of cases dealing with the clash between national security and the freedom of the press, the Cons ution provides enormous protection for publishers of state secrets. Those who leak the secrets in the first place — government officials, even soldiers, for instance — can and are prosecuted, such as Army private, Bradley Manning, now sitting in a military prison after having been charged with illegally downloading secret files amid su ions that he gave them to WikiLeaks.
Putting someone like Assange in jail for publishing do ents he did not himself steal, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of thing that First Amendment makes difficult. "From everything we've seen, [Manning] was merely responding to the notion that Assange might publish the cables," former CIA inspector general Frederick P. Hitz told TIME. "There's nothing to show that Assange played an active role in obtaining the information."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...035994,00.html
I'm starting to think the USA should not try to get Julian Assange here to the US. He can claim to be some sort of news organization and all he has done is break news. Nothing wrong with that. I don't believe it but perhaps thats what he thinks he is doing, breaking news. With that said I will have zero problem if we kill the bas . He is putting american lives in jeopardy but putting him through our court systems would not accomplish anything. Just kill the mother er and be done with it.
Don't you think that might open up a bad precedent?
Say, for instance, that Obama said that bad mouthing his plan for our military overseas was leading to increased terrorist resistance. Would he then be justified in stopping any sort of news agency from releasing negative info about the war?
Probably. We should make it look like an accident.
Assange= ww3
the little es here talk about somebody else murdering Assange, because they wouldn't have the balls themselves.
Same with war, they love it, because they don't have to fight.
All talk, no walk
And I'm starting to think that we should kill Jack Sommerset. He is putting American values in jeopardy but putting him through the court system would accomplish nothing. Just kill this Jack Sommerset mother er and be done with it...
this fiasco has gutted any hope I had mustered in politics and people's perception of it
Its just unbelievable that people will trust government and corporate officials need for secrecy, "for our security", then turn around and question and discredit assange's motives for disclosure. yeah, he sure has turned himself into a rock star guys, this is classic ego-stroking behavior!
furthermore-
-if we are going to accept the need for secrecy for our security, shouldn't we be infuriated at our gov./corporate officials complete incompetence in maintaining that secrecy?
-if we are going to close assange's bank accounts "because he doesnt reside in switzerland", then why aren't drug and weapons traffickers and money launderers swiss bank accounts closed? I'm 100% certain that the number of bank accounts in switzerland outnumber the population by AT LEAST 2:1.
-since when does interpol issue BOLO for suspected rape? known murderers dont garner this attention
-a kid in the netherlands was arrested for the DDoS attacks on Mastercard (presumably in retaliation for them blacklisting wikileaks). Meanwhile, the guy who did the same to Wikileaks brags about it on twitter, and "security" services cant touch him?
-meanwhile, of all the cases of corruption and abuse of power that have been exposed, has a single one been brought to court? It doesnt have to be the stuff from now, how about the reuters reporters that were shot by a helicopter in Iraq, then shot again on the ground with no weapons (are you still going to argue the soldiers were confused?), then shot again when trying to receive medical attention ( o?). Was anyone, be it the gunners, the officers, anyone accused or disciplined for misconduct for that (besides the "traitor" manning, who had the gall to expect decency from his nation's army and the naivete to TELL THE ING TRUTH)
Is assange my hero? no. Do i think the leaks will revolutionize the world and cause spontaneous evolution of the species? no. Would I rather know the truth about the political process? yes. Do I want that information to elect my representatives? Yes. Do I want that information to choose better government and buy better products? Yes. Do I feel "less safe" now that Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, and the terrorists have this information? No. If anything, i feel a little better, as they probably knew more about all this than any of us civilians did prior to the leaks.
I was always taught by my great Western tradition that when you do the right thing, even "on the down low", and get called for it, you step up and say, "yeah, I did it, it was the right thing to do," presumably because the majority will agree. it, its better for the "bad guys" to know you are righteous. Especially if you happen to be the world biggest economic and military power, what the are you scared of? Arent we Westerners the Great Civilization, and the "bad commie/fundamentalists" just fringe players? Why are we so scared of them that we have to sacrifice freedom, rights, transparency, in short, our ideals "that make us different!" for them? This has been handled so badly that it has destroyed the good faith I had mustered in society, and is making me regress to nihilistic adolescence. If this is modern civilization, the US should do us all a favor and blow EVERYONE back into the stone age, including themselves. At least Orwell's novels had a narrative, this is just bull .
/end rant
before I get on for my rant, I know there are decent people everywhere, even in corporations, banks, government, and Iran. I'm exaggerating out of frustration.
"decent people everywhere"
a huge mistake make nearly all the time is that personal morality and ethics is applied, applies to groups. It doesn't.
And when Good People Do Bad Things as members of a group, it's because they suspend their personal morality and ethics in the higher, overriding, often unquestioned, uninspected interest of the group. And personal responsibility is diluted, obscured by membership in the group.
aka, Moral Man and Immoral Society.
I've read several articles where IT people are dumbfounded that military IT people allowed supposedly 3M people access to what the leaking private had access to. Which military IT people are being prosecuted, retired, pursued for such a huge error in IT security system design? Probably none.
Groups are great at protecting their own, esp the ones at the top, no matter how incompetent or evil, because protection of the one at the top is protection of the whole group, the top being representative of the group, while claiming crimes or errors were the exclusive result of the bad apple(s) at the bottom (Abu Ghraib, pedophile priests).
Last edited by jack sommerset; 12-10-2010 at 09:15 AM.
Jack Sommerset has nothing left to say...but to forge posts...let him have what he thinks others should feel...lets get away with him...kill him. That should teach him a lesson...
Then he has time to think about what he wishes on others...
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