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Definitely the MVP of our team, but I don't see him taking the NBA MVP at the end...Maybe he could be the next Finals MVP...hopefully.
Race to the MVP
Steve Aschburner, NBA.com
10. Manu Ginobili, Spurs (18-3)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
21 32.4 20.1 3.1 5.1 2.0 0.4 .454 .383 .910
Last Week's Rank - 8
The Race is a firm believer that the MVP and Coach of the Year awards, with rare exceptions, should go to men on different teams (having the MVP makes a coach's job a little easier, right?). So far, we like Gregg Popovich for COY, so this is more of a "best player on best team" vote. The Spurs really are the MVT.
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1. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (18-4)
2. Dwight Howard, Magic (15-7)
3. Derrick Rose, Bulls (12-8)
4. Rajon Rondo, Celtics (18-4)
5. Amar'e Stoudemire, Knicks (14-9)
6. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (16-6)
7. Deron Williams, Jazz (16-7)
8. Russell Westbrook, Thunder (15-8)
9. LeBron James, Heat (15-8)
Dropping out: Chris Paul (No. 4 last week)
Honorable mention: Paul; Kevin Durant, OKC ; Dwyane Wade, Miami; Al Horford, Atlanta; Kevin Love, Minnesota.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/feature...k-7/index.html
Last edited by duncan228; 12-17-2010 at 02:25 PM.
Definitely the MVP of our team, but I don't see him taking the NBA MVP at the end...Maybe he could be the next Finals MVP...hopefully.
ducks post in 10, 9, 8...
"Good read"
Manu's play has gone down a little lately due to being so tired. Parker is starting to improve as well so I wouldnt be surprised if we saw Tony on the list and Manu out some time.
I don't think Manu's that tired but yes his play has gone down a lot and Tony has really picked it up a lot. I could see Tony being placed on there now.
I read that Manu's knees aren't doing real well.
Regardless, he's the MVP on the best team in the league right now. He will not be a league MVP because he doesn't sell many shoes in the US, and because he shares the basketball.
Just the top three. Hit the link for the rest, including why Monroe left LeBron off, and an explanation of the Bird Formula for anyone that isn't familiar with it.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...h-bird-points/Breaking down the NBA’s MVP race with Bird points
Mike Monroe
1. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks
Games – 22
Points – 544
Rebounds – 165
Assists – 48
Steals – 15
Blocks – 18
Missed FG – 165
Missed FT – 18
Turnovers – 52
Bird Avg. – 25.23
2. Amare Stoudemire, Knicks
Games – 24
Points – 626
Rebounds – 219
Assists – 58
Steals – 22
Blocks – 46?
Missed FG – 206
Missed FT – 41
Turnovers – 94
Bird Avg. – 26.25
3. Manu Ginobili, Spurs
Games – 22
Points – 441
Rebounds – 79
Assists – 107
Steals – 42
Blocks – 8
Missed FG – 162
Missed FT – 12
Turnovers – 55
Bird Avg. – 20.36
Dirk >>>> Manu....not even close. Dirk is a #1...manu is like a 3
dirk plays no defense......
no need to say more....
manu assists - 107 Steals – 42
dirk assists - 48 Steals – 15
at least they are still winning games and that's fine.
dirk doesn't have one of theseeither
Sore butt?
I also should agree that stats of Dirk deserves MVP more than Manu this year. But there is an important point, Dirk is playing 4 more minutes and shooting 3 less shots per game.
Ginobili's MVP-type presence stands out in Spurs' solid cast
By Steve Aschburner, NBA.com
Every serious actor in Hollywood or on Broadway likes to work in ensemble casts. That, they'll contend, is where they get their greatest satisfaction and where their best work gets done. Side-by-side with other accomplished thespians, they can put the story, the writing and the directing first and truly bring their art to life.
And then someone feels snubbed for an Oscar, an Emmy or a Tony and all that familial togetherness goes right out the window. "Get me a star vehicle!" they'll shout into the phone at their agents. "I want my name above the le!"
That is a problem in professional sports, too, when it comes to things such as The Race.
Most Valuable Player awards generally go to star performers on top teams. But if a team is too much of a team -- like one when near-equals fill roles and share responsibilities -- then it gets hard to distinguish one valuable piece from another. Even when there are stars involved, as in All-Star level performers, it's can be tricky to identify them within their group and then measure them next to the superstars who work with lesser casts.
In the NBA, this might stem from the Michael Jordan era, when Jordan won five MVP awards as a transcendant talent not just on the planet but within his own locker room. That might seem backwards, but the drop down from Jordan as the Chicago Bulls' best player to Scottie Pippen as its No. 2 -- and then the drop from Pippen down to the rest of their Bulls teammates was big, too -- kept Jordan head, shoulders, elbows, waist and kneecaps above his mates.
In terms of a gold-silver-bronze Olympic podium, most of the Chicago players from the two three-peat teams were an inch from the floor, Pippen was a foot or two higher and Jordan was high enough to experience vertigo. A similar disparity sometimes was evident in the selections of MVPs such as Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Bob McAdoo, early Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Allen Iverson and of course, in each of the past two seasons, LeBron James.
But there have been plenty of MVPs who have come from deep, talented rosters. Stars among stars, sometimes even superstars among superstars. Bill Russell, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan and Steve Nash all had plenty of help and often weren't the best on their clubs at some task or another. But they were, sometimes in the most intangible ways, the most indispensable players on their squads. Mixed with their team's success, they rose to MVP heights as individuals.
We mention all this to honor Manu Ginobili, who continues to demonstrate his value to the 22-3 San Antonio Spurs. The veteran Argentinian swingman has lots of help in San Antonio: Duncan, Tony Parker, Richard Jefferson, a kick-butt bench crew and Coach of the Year favorite (for now, it says here) Gregg Popovich. And yet Ginobili can still go out in a span of barely 24 hours and remind everyone how important he is, and how different things might be for the Spurs if he were gone or injured.
There was his game-winning shot to beat Milwaukee Wednesday, after the sort of uncalled traveling violation that -- because he backpedaled rather than moved toward the rim -- seemed to catch the referees unaware. Then there was his dreary first three quarters at Denver Thursday, followed by a strong fourth. Followed by his off-balance shot for the night's winning points. Followed by his guile and instincts in stepping in front of Carmelo Anthony and, this time, not catching the refs unaware. Ginobili got the charging call against the Nuggets' scoring star and, again, the Spurs won.
So even while Duncan had a throwback night (28 points, 16 boards), even as his teammates make their contributions nightly, Ginobili is the Spurs player who, to this point, deserves to be walking the red carpet on the way in and lugging a trophy on the way out. That -- and the fact that his personal stats are as good as or better than any he has posted in his career -- is why he shot up three spots in this week's Race rankings.
By the way, the committee knows a thing or two about ensembles. It believes that every one of its members is a star.
1. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs (20-5)
2. Amar'e Stoudemire, Knicks (16-10)
3. Derrick Rose, Bulls (16-8)
4. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (19-7)
5. Dwight Howard, Magic (16-9)
6. Deron Williams, Jazz (18-8)
7. Manu Ginobili, Spurs (22-3)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
25 31.8 20.0 3.6 4.8 1.8 0.3 .462 .364 .890
Last Week's Rank - 10
Ginobili's numbers aren't as gaudy as some others here, but he is having his most complete season. He had the key offensive and defensive plays at the end at Denver Thursday, after his "steps-back" game-winner vs. Milwaukee. Only four teams in NBA history have started better through 25 games than the Spurs' 22-3.
8. LeBron James, Heat (19-8)
9. Dwyane Wade, Heat (19-8)
10. Kevin Durant, Thunder (18-8)
Dropping out: Rajon Rondo (No. 4 last week)
Honorable mention: Westbrook; Rondo; Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers; Al Horford, Atlanta; Chris Paul, New Orleans.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/feature...s=iref:nbahpt1
Rondo? Isn't he injured, out for 3 weeks, and was injured for about a week earlier in the season? Once again, while very good, he's so overrated by the national media.
Amare? Seriously?
Rondo? Isn't he injured, out for 3 weeks, and was injured for about a week earlier in the season? Once again, while very good, he's so overrated by the national media.
Amare? Seriously?
The first post is from December 10, today's rankings are post #17. I thought it made sense to keep a running thread. Sorry for the confusion.
Yea, and he doesn't have one of these either:dirk doesn't have one of these
Oh yea, in your face!!!!
Ok, so I'm assuming nobody actually knows which trophy that is. It's the 6th Man of the Year Trophy.
Ok, so maybe nobody cares about that....since I doubt nobody knew what it was.
Well how about this one?
And hes got a Gold one AND a Bronze one.
In your face!!!!
I'd love to see him get it and I think he'd be very deserving, but I don't see it happening. Not because he's not capable of being the best player in the league, but because he doesn't have to put up the biggest numbers on an everyday basis. On the Spurs you've got legit #2, 3, and even 4 options in Tony Paker, Tim Duncan, and Richard Jefferson. Then you've still got other guys who are very capable of putting up consistent double digit scoring numbers like George Hill.
Right now, Dirk might be the most valuable player in the fact that the Mavs would absolutely suck without him and they're winning a lot of games with him.
Granted, it'd be very difficult to go anywhere without Ginobili, but I think we'd still have a team capable of winning some games.
Yeah, my b...I didn't read the entire thread. But they moved Amar'e up...ugh.
Manu should be higher than 7, like 5 or 4, considering Spurs have the best record
If Manu can't be the MVP because he has a lot of talent around him then Kobe or LeBron are out of the race.Same Pau or Wade.Same Rondo.
So we have Dirk,Amare,Rose or Howard for the MVP.
You have a very good point.
Impressive statistic right there. Spurs fans need to recognize what this team has been able to do.Only four teams in NBA history have started better through 25 games than the Spurs' 22-3.
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