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From what I read about him from the Knicks writers, he seems lazy, passive, and has a general malaise. Not a fan.
If Randolph continue to suck and be in D'Antoni's doghouse, he could be very quickly available at a low price.
From what I read about him from the Knicks writers, he seems lazy, passive, and has a general malaise. Not a fan.
He has obviously a lot of red flags around him but also a lot of upside.
He is a gamble and if the price is right, Spurs should take it. For example, I would welcome trading the sandwich blogger for Randolph.
If you can't get crazy good stats in D'Antoni's system, then you suck. Randolph had a chance to prove himself in NY, but he is looking like a bust.
We talk about upside. But what is upside for a player like that? My take: moves from 12th man to 10th man on a nonplayoff team. I'd rather have Bonnor of 2010-11.
Randolph has only played in up tempo teams (GSW and NYK) since arriving to the NBA. Maybe the kid needs a team who is little more organized and structured on both ends of the floor. If his value did get low I gurantee alot of teams would be ahead of the spurs though in trying to trade for him cause of his age.
what means "had a chance"? the season is just about 3 weeks old. it's not that he has played there for D'Antoni for 3 years.
however, he doesn't look good in NY and most of his struggle might be caused by himself. his trade value should be at an all time low.
on the other hand: he is still only 21 and does offer crazy talent combined with terrific length and terrific athleticism. his theoretically upside is still all-star and not just 10th man. if you are a top team and therefore constantly pick at the end and you get the chance to acquire such a player for the assets you can offer (like a 1st round pick) you need to take that risk IMO.
I trust the Spurs coaches to be able to reform that guy. (a similar case like Donte Greene would be). the skill set he offers would be a perfect compliment to the other young Spurs players.
It is always so hard to evaluate players, especially when they are struggling or when they are injured. Things can change so quickly in the NBA. I think they would definitely entertain Bonner for him, but I really don't think the Spurs would do that.
I saw him briefly in a game and for about 10 minutes, it was all about taking awfully poor shots with defenders all about him, and keeping on forcing the play rather than passing when it demanded or playing the percentages. Having said that, he was doing well with rebounding and was quick to the paint.
Seemed to be a player very low on confidence and trying to impress himself by taking up bad shots.
Stephen Jackson once had a jackass coach give up on him, and look how that worked out for the Spurs. I'd love to steal Randolph from those morons.
Randolph is also a bit the victim of the development of Chandler and the sensational play from rookie Landry Fields. D'Antoni prefers to go with at least one combo forward in the line up and now either Gallinari, Chandler and even Fields can fill that role. and currently each of them is much better than Randolph. and obviously Randolph struggles to deal with this situation.
however, I really wonder what the asking price from the Knicks could be. they won't get a lottery pick back (this is what they would like to get). can't see them trade Randolph just for a #30 pick. and it will take an expiring contract, that helps them to clear another 3 million (Randolph salary for 2011-12) for 2011 free agency, when they might need as much cap space as they can create to sign Melo.
so or so, IMO Spurs are not in the position to trade for him, unless a 3rd team is involved.
I've seen a few Knicks games and Randolph was like that in all of them. He made low IQ plays seemingly every chance he had. I can't imagine how he'd be under Pop.
He mixes both suspect if not outright poor IQ and bad tendencies with Ian-esque injury issues. He wouldn't be in the doghouse, he'd be buried under it like a Mike Vick pooch.
Randolph would be a fine player for the Spurs, any coach that shows confidence in him and gives him a chance will be rewarded. Idk what's happened with him as of late, in GS he was a very hard worker. And he always showed signs of becoming a star.
Well then the Spurs aren't a good place for Randolph, because I don't think Pop would show confidence in him. He would be buried on the bench.
I've been watching Randolph for 2 years and I hate to say it, but he looks to me like a guy who is never going to get it. I thought he was going to be a beast two years ago, but he seems unable to make good decisions or play tough enough to succeed in the NBA. He may be a late-bloomer, but there are bust signs written all over him right now.
Having said that, if we could nab him without giving much away, Pop, Tim and Dice might be just what the young man needs to straighten his head and game out and put him on the path to success.
Considering that it would take until next year, maybe two years, for someone like Randolph to pick up the Spurs system... this pickup would have to be for planning long term and not for help this season. We would have to acquire him for nothing... we are flying along and no need to give up a piece for this guy.
Pop playing a 21 year old not named Parker? (Haha, almost typed Tony...) Not gonna happen.... Now if Pop could send him to Europe for 3 to 4 years, then YES!!! ;-)
ARandolph on dealing with benching: “I have no choice. I have to deal with it.” On whether he's confident he'll get another chance: "No."
http://twitter.com/bergenadamek
The notion that Randolph might be available is connected to NY's desire to acquire Melo and the rumors that Denver isn't crazy about Randolph and would prefer a first round pick. The Knicks can't trade a first rounder earlier than it's 2014 pick.
So...
Bonner plus 2011 first round pick for Randolph plus Walker.
Carmelo Anthony in Knicks' sights if club is able to deal Anthony Randolph for a first-round pick
WASHINGTON - Anthony Randolph's value to the Knicks can't be measured in points and rebounds. Instead, he could be the guy who gets them Carmelo Anthony.
The Knicks have fielded calls from several Western Conference clubs regarding a deal for Randolph, according to a team source. The most compelling conversations have been with the Houston Rockets, who in one scenario would trade the Knicks the first-round pick they obtained in last year's Tracy McGrady deal.
Knicks president Donnie Walsh has admitted publicly that he regrets trading that pick and has been trying for two months to acquire a 2011 first-rounder. The pick is critical if the Knicks want to acquire Anthony, who is likely to be traded by the February deadline.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ph_for_a_.html
Bonner + 1st for Randolph + filler would be a great trade for Spurs.
Sadly, Pop is in love with Bonner for some crazy reasons and I doubt Spurs would be ready to trade Bonner.
I just do not see any way the Spurs move Bonner for a guy like Randolph. In the Spurs system, Bonner's skill set is much more valuable than if you view his skills in isolation. The fact Bonner continues to get big time minutes combined with the fact he is actually hitting shots at an extremely high clip means the Spurs would not move a guy like Bonner for a guy like Randolph who would never get in the rotation this year.
This.
Randolph may be a very talented young player, but sometimes talent alone doesn't necessarily fit the Spurs. See Ron Mercer.
As it is right now, any proposal involving Bonner for a fringe rotation player makes absolutely no sense in the world
Looks like AR may be headed to Houston for the Knicks' first-rounder they picked up in the T-Mac trade.
Which means probability for Spurs netting Chandler, Fields or whomever's been mentioned on here as someone they could get as a third-party member in a 'Melo deal, would take a huge hit.
Smart trade for Houston. Houston has no reason to swap 1st rounders with NY (Rockets option from T-Mac trade) for this upcoming draft as the Knicks are looking like a playoff-team and Rockets are not.
So my assumption is that the Rockets are trading the Knicks 2012 first rounder that they received from the T-Mac trade for Randolph, which is pretty smart IMO.
Knicks are looking like a playoff team this year, which will likely be the same case for next year as well-- As the Knicks will have all their main pieces returning next year and around 15 million in cap space to add quality free agent(s)-- Factoring this fact with the fact that the 5th-8th spots in the East have been notably terrible the past decade ( meaning Knicks shouldn't have a problem getting one of these spots)-- It makes it easy to figure the Rockets would net the 15th-21st pick in the 2012 Draft, if they were to keep the pick.
Using that 2012 pick (15th-21st) for Randolph is pretty wise move, as Randolph will most likely be the better prospect than whoever is picked in that 15-21 range.
Morey( If it goes through)
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 12-11-2010 at 03:32 PM.
Morey is overrated.Morey
Bonner hasn't played well this year. He has been bad at everything except shooting 3's. For example his PER is worse this year than in 08-09 and 09-10.
Trading away Bonner would be an addition by subtraction. It would open minutes for Splitter, who unless Bonner plays some defense and isn't a choker.
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