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    The pace does inflate his numbers
    Thank you

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    Last year, when Bosh's usage rate was comparable (still lower) to Amare's this year, he posted:

    24 PTS, 10.8 REBS, 2.4 AST, 1 BLK, 2.4 TO's, 52% FG

    This year, Amare:

    26.1 PTS, 9.1 REBS, 2.4 AST, 1.9 BLK, 3.9 TO's, 53% FG

    You were saying....

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    Not sure how D'Antoni's system is helping him get a steal a game as a big man, grab a fair amount of defensive rebounds, and get 2 blocks. Funny how guys like Joe Johnson's fg% stayed the same during his years in phoenix as it has with other teams, meaning that a playing at a faster pace may get you more shots and therefore more points, but it won't necessarily make you convert at a higher efficiency. Amare's career fg% is ridiculous.
    Of course playing at a faster pace can get you to convert at a better rate assuming you're on a fast break which can consistently get you easy buckets. You have a much better chance of converting on a basket in transition than you would in the halfcourt since all 5 defenders would be present in a halfcourt situation as oppose to a fast break where you can have strength in numbers on offense.

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    I'm anxious to hear why my argument is terrible. I'm using stats and facts just as you wished.
    You are not using facts. At all. You are using opinion. Try again. You have yet to refute any numbers I gave you with numbers.

    All you do is say "Raymond Felton" over and over.

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    Amare does most of his damage at the rim as a receiver in pick and roll situations, Joe Johnson's game is based on the perimeter.

    Emeka Okafor has a crazy FG % as well.

    Once again, huge props to Amare. ESPN voted him as the worst signing of the offseason but he has done well in proving many people wrong. My only concern is to see if he keeps it up and how the Knicks do a the end of the year. He's been tearing it up against soft teams.

    Has he been better than Bosh so far this year? Totally, can't argue that.

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    But you attributed some of it to Raymond ing Felton of all people. Pretty much any starting caliber PG can do for Amare whatever the Raymond Felton does. I don't know how my arguments are terrible when you're trying to claim a virtual no-name PG is part of why Amare has been so successful this year.
    I said playing with a PG who is playing well, but has a low usage rate compared to a guy playing with two guys who get the ball all the time and play at an extremely slow pace explains some of the difference in the stats.

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    Of course playing at a faster pace can get you to convert at a better rate assuming you're on a fast break which can consistently get you easy buckets. You have a much better chance of converting on a basket in transition than you would in the halfcourt since all 5 defenders would be present in a halfcourt situation as oppose to a fast break where you can have strength in numbers on offense.
    Faster pace doesn't necessarily mean you're getting all of your points on the fast break, nor does it lead to a higher fg%. For one, most of Amare's points never came from fast break's, he was their only option in the half court set.

    Marion is still shooting his usual 50% from the field with Dallas, Johnson's fg% went UP the year after he left for Atlanta, etc. No key player from the former Dantoni suns suffered fg% wise from leaving the system.

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    Amare> Bosh ..always has, always will. IMO

    Even though they've had relatively the same numbers in recent years. Amare is much more versatile and physical offensive player, who can score inside and out.

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    Also, an argument you are failing to take into consideration is a lot of people's concern with Amare over Bosh had nothing to do with this year. It is the long-term viability of him that had people concerned.

    Also, saying that focusing on one number (efficiency) proves every other argument wrong is silly.

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    Last year was a career year for Bosh. It's not indicative if the player he's been his entire career.
    Geez, you do realize that DPG's point all along has been that difference between the two players is relatively small?

    Look at their career numbers, they're quite close:

    Games:
    Bosh: 533
    Amare: 540

    PPG:
    Bosh: 20.1
    Amare: 21.6

    RPG:
    Bosh: 9.3
    Amare: 8.9

    FGA per game:
    Bosh: 14.4
    Amare: 14.4

    FG %:
    Bosh: .492
    Amare: .543

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    It seems like you're the one doing that.
    You should slowly creep out of this thread. Even if you are using someone else's argument which appears to be correct at the moment, the fact you have no idea how to arrive at the correct response makes you look silly.

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    Holy it's amazing how far these idiots will go to defend Bosh when Amare is clearly the better player.

    DoK 1
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    Sucks that DoK is no longer around to nail these guys to the tree of woe, tbh

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    Geez, you do realize that DPG's point all along has been that difference between the two players is relatively small?

    Look at their career numbers, they're quite close:

    FG %:
    Bosh: .492
    Amare: .543
    That's a pretty massive gap in fg%, mostly due in part that Amare plays the game like a man and Bosh lacks the ability to get high % shots at the rim. Amare is better.

    Plus the gap is only widening as Amare starts to focus more on defense and rebounding, which both seem to be improved this year.

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    What does being efficient have to do with the fact Bosh plays with 2 players who have usage rates of 30+?

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    Bosh only has Amare beat at one stat. Amare is clearly the more efficient offensive player.
    By a relatively small margin. Which is pretty much what DPG has said all along.

    When you look at the totality of the two players, they both landed in the right place.

    Bosh is better suited to the subordinate role he plays in Miami and Amare is better suited to the leading role he plays in New York.

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    That's a pretty massive gap in fg%, mostly due in part that Amare plays the game like a man and Bosh lacks the ability to get high % shots at the rim. Amare is better.

    Plus the gap is only widening as Amare starts to focus more on defense and rebounding, which both seem to be improved this year.
    Ok. That still doesn't change the fact that at the time the arguments were made, the logic was sound.

    No one who said Bosh>Amare back then is saying Bosh is playing better than Amare now, so what is your point?

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    That's a pretty massive gap in fg%, mostly due in part that Amare plays the game like a man and Bosh lacks the ability to get high % shots at the rim. Amare is better.

    Plus the gap is only widening as Amare starts to focus more on defense and rebounding, which both seem to be improved this year.
    Amare's rebounding is only slightly better than Bosh this season. Given that he's often the only big on the court for NY, one would think his numbers would be better. Landry Fields has the same rebounding percentage as Amare.

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    By a relatively small margin. Which is pretty much what DPG has said all along.

    When you look at the totality of the two players, they both landed in the right place.

    Bosh is better suited to the subordinate role he plays in Miami and Amare is better suited to the leading role he plays in New York.
    How can you consider a number one option and a number 3 option equals??

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    How can you consider a number one option and a number 3 option equals??
    I don't.

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    Amare's rebounding is only slightly better than Bosh this season. Given that he's often the only big on the court for NY, one would think his numbers would be better. Landry Fields has the same rebounding percentage as Amare.
    And exactly what quality big men are out there on the court stealing rebounds away from Bosh??

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    Holy it's amazing how far these idiots will go to defend Bosh when Amare is clearly the better player.

    DoK 1
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    Sucks that DoK is no longer around to nail these guys to the tree of woe, tbh
    DoK got plastered to the tree of woe on the regs. Just like in the Bargnani thread where he is still finding his way back, tbh.

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    It ain't like Bosh is playing next to a rebounding stud at center.


    Avoiding the point. You can do better.

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    But you consider them really close? Doesn't make that much sense to me.

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    49% and 54% is a small margin? I guess the difference between Kobe's efficiency and MJ's efficiency (45% and 49%) is also a small margin.
    Look at the turnovers. That is a big margin as well. Amare, when compared to Bosh at a high usage rate, is a turn over machine.

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