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Besides, it is completely uncons utional. Congress cannot dictate the presidents actions!
If it was a bill dealing with only the one topic, then I would agree.
Did you count how many things were in that list?
Besides, it is completely uncons utional. Congress cannot dictate the presidents actions!
A lil' mo on the subject.
Rep Kucinich Rewrites HR 2977 -
'Chemtrails' Disappear
By Lorie Kramer
[email protected]
1-27-2
The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" originally introduced in the House by Rep. Dennis Kucinich as HR 2977 has been re-written. The new, revised bill, HR 3616, "Space Preservation Act of 2002" was introduced January 23, 2002. Re-writing bills is a common enough practice as a bill goes through the legislative process. However, the differences between HR 2977 and HR 3616 are more than just a few tweaks here or there. By its con uous appearance in 2977, the term 'chemtrails' received a form of credibiity within the official government process never seen before...producing the hope that one courageous Representative had finally had the for ude to take the issue of chemtrails to a level of Congressional scrutiny long overdue. Even though chemtrails are sprayed/deployed in the 2-6 mile high range, and not the 60 mile al ude stated in 2977, the simple fact of their inclusion in Kucinich's 2977 list of weapons systems was deemed a major breakthrough by tens of thousands of citizens and researchers across the country who have been monitoring and investigating the spraying going on in the skies of America for the past three years. In Rep. Kucinich's revised new (some woud say 'emasculated') Bill, HR 3616, there is no longer any mentio whatever of: * chemtrails, * particle beams * electromagnetic radiation * plasmas * extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation * or mind-control technologies as weapons systems covered in the measure. In fact, 'Exotic Weapons' - as boldly-stated in HR 2977 - are not even mentioned in HR 3616. So, what happened here? Did someone have a 'friendly chat' with Rep. Kucinich? Did the Congressman inhale a bit too much aluminum during his morning job? Did he look up one day and find himself standing under a big 'X' and feel his knees get a little wobbly? As stated in Kucinich's first version of his "Space Preservation Act of 2001" - "The term 'exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space." Apparently Rep. Kucinich is no longer concerned about the effects of the testing and use of exotic weapons systems on natural ecosystems and living organisms on the planet. Although chemtrails are no longer stated as a weapons system, or even mentioned in HR3616, the question of the components of the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system is raised. HR 3616 states - "To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes." The intent of this passage remains fuzzy. Example: Are Imaging satellites used with the RFMP / VTRPE system broadly defined as part of a weapons system ? HR 3616 further states - "The terms 'space-based weapon' and 'space-based system' mean a device capable of damaging or destroying an object or person by directing a source of energy against that object or person." The word "directing" is clearly the key. Strictly speaking, the RFMP system does, by imaging, provide information to direct a source of energy against that particular object or person HR3616 also says - "4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems." They could say the RFMP is not a weapon - it does not "fire a bullet," but it is part of a weapons system. There are clearly serious issues of definition in Kucinich's new Bill. It is conceivable that the RFMP / VTRPE weapons system may fall in the area covered by HR3616. It remains a mystery as to how the word 'chemtrails' appeared in HR 2977 to begin with. Investigation into that point is ongoing. Who actually is authoring the text of these bills? Why such an emphasis on "exotic weapons" in HR 2977 but then nothing mentioned about them in HR 3616?
I KNOW you know better, WC. You know how the military works better than most.
Why don't you do your own research on a topic instead of being a lemming?
Can you show me where it mentions chemtrails please:ALL ACTIONS:
1/23/2002:
Referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
1/23/2002:
Referred to House Science
1/28/2002:
Referred to the Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics.
1/23/2002:
Referred to House Armed Services
2/13/2002:
Executive Comment Requested from DOD.
1/23/2002:
Referred to House International Relations
H.R.3616 -- Space Preservation Act of 2002 (Introduced in House - IH)
HR 3616 IH
107th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 3616
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 23, 2002
Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT LE.
This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2002'.
SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.
Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.
SEC. 3. BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE AND THE USE OF WEAPONS AGAINST OBJECTS IN SPACE IN ORBIT.
The President shall--
(1) implement a ban on space-based weapons of the United States and the use of weapons of the United States to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit; and
(2) immediately order the termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States.
SEC. 4. INTERNATIONAL TREATY BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS AND THE USE OF WEAPONS AGAINST OBJECTS IN SPACE IN ORBIT.
The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing an international treaty banning space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit.
SEC. 5. REPORT.
The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 6 months thereafter, a report on--
(1) the implementation of the ban on space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit required by section 3; and
(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the treaty described in section 4.
SEC. 6. SPACE-BASED NONWEAPONS ACTIVITIES.
Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--
(1) space exploration;
(2) space research and development;
(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or
(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.
SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.
In this Act:
(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an al ude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.
(2) The terms `space-based weapon' and `space-based system' mean a device capable of damaging or destroying an object or person (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--
(A) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object or person;
(B) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object or person;
(C) directing a source of energy against that object or person; or
(D) any other undeveloped means.
it doesnt mention chemtrails cuz the word was redacted after DOD told Kucinich that refraining from chemtrail activity was not an option. The new bill left out any mention. Follow?
Read that article above. explains it all.
actually I was going to thank you for the find.
lol chemtrails
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/ChemtrailsWhat is your take on chemtrails?
There are stupid conspiracy theories, and there are stoopid conspiracy theories.Chemtrails are the conspiracy and cranks claim that aircraft contrails are a form of chemical dispersal by which the government is attempting to poison people from above. This is a relatively recent conspiracy theory, having reached its peak in the 1990s, but is still going strong despite the evidence for the conspiracy being laughably lacking.
This is one of the latter, akin to flouride "makin' ya docile".
Contrails are formed when hot high-pressure jet exhaust gases mix with rarefied cool air. In a process similar to cloud formation, the water present in the jet exhaust freezes quickly, forming a white haze. Since this process generally completes several hundred feet behind the aircraft, passengers on commercial airliners typically do not see contrails forming, giving weight to the claim that "chemtrails" only come from special military aircraft. Commercial planes also, of course, don't have windows that face the rear.
Note that contrails are different than the grayish "vapor trails" sometimes seen when flying low with flaps extended. These are formed of liquid water from compression of moist air under the wing.
On days when cirrus cloud formation is occurring, there is more moisture in the upper atmosphere, and consequently, contrails may linger longer before evaporating. Since cirrus clouds often precede a general overcast or haze, the casual observer could easily assume that the contrails have caused the overcast, or become the overcast.
In the event that an aircraft is flying directly away from the setting or rising sun, the contrail may cause a spectacular crepuscular ray, known in chemtrail jargon as the "black ray", which has a sinister appearance. Basically, part of the contrail is lit, and part is in shadow. It's not evil, it's the Law of Shadows.
Please provide proof of that assertion other than a youtube video.
Here is the first logical failing.
You have here some very obvious circular logic, in which the statement assumes its own premise.
Namely, you imply "the activity exists because Kucinich tried to stop the activity".
If Mr. Kucinich tried to stop the slaughter and canning of unicorn meat would that logically imply that unicorns exist to be canned?
How do I know the ramblings of someone creating the story are the real reasons?
Again, the bill includes several items.
You can assume what ever you want, but you have no facts.
Parker...
It's pretty bad when Random and I agree....
it exists because I can see it. nothing more.
Chemtrails or contrails? Which do you see?
And let's further define chemtrails before WC gets stuck in a syntax-loop.
Atmospheric seeding is well known...is this a chemtrail activity?
So if I showed you a picture of canned unicorn meat, you would think it exists?
I agree.And let's further define chemtrails before WC gets stuck in a syntax-loop.
Atmospheric seeding is well known...is this a chemtrail activity?
Parker812, please define "chemtrails". What exactly do you mean by it?
Well, I knew he wasn't referring to cloud seeding. Now when he brings up some of the tings he does.
I live a few miles SE of the Portland Airport. I see these contrails all the time.
I think he means it in the sense that the government is dosing us with chemicals against our will and without our knowledge.
Whether he means it seriously, or is just tweaking our collective noses with something just for the fun of it is another matter.
I guess we will have to wait to find out.
lets make it easy: chemtrails is anything other than contrails.
Contrails dissapate realtively quickly. They dont hold form from horizon to horizon. We see streaks across the sky every day that defy this tendency. I understand the science behind contrails. They are pretty easy to spot actually. They begin dispersing within a matter of minutes...not hours.
A couple of the weather men in those vids posted earlier explain that the military drops chaff to confuse radar, and this likely means there is routine training with the stuff, so that is one form of confirmed type of chemtrail, if you believe those professionals.
I dont claim that there is only one type, or that we are being maliciously poisoned etc, I only claim that there is such a thing as "chemtrails," and that congress has tried to stop the practice.
RG as for your unicorn meat analogy, I dont think it holds water, and here is why: we can very safely assume that any congressmen who takes the time to draft and submit legislation will not spend much time "making up" to include in the bill to prevent future government activity from taking place.
I think Kucinich's list of "exotic weapons" was drafted with an eye on secret military activity already taking place, or he wouldnt have dedicated time and energy to it.
Actually I think we all know that, but you guys just like to argue
If your unicorn meat argument is to stand, why didnt Kucinich throw in time travel and star trek transporters?
Contrails dissipate at a variable rate. This dissipation rate depends on several climatic factors To assume they all dissipate quickly is an utter joke.
Parker just received an uncommon distinction: a ruthless and decisive pwning at the hands of WC.
Making up? No.
Making factual mistakes that have to be removed on later versions? Yes.
Is it your assertion that no bill has ever been initially drafted by a congressperson that has been error-free?
I don't think "we can safely assume" that assertion would be correct at all.
The question stands, because you made the implicit case that if Mr. Kucinich had includeded it, he must have a reason for it.
Namely, you imply "the activity exists because Kucinich tried to stop the activity".
Backtrack all you want from that, but that albatross will hang on your neck.
The implication was very clear.
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