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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    I dont think you can speak to the time when I was a kid, Manny. You can assume to, but your also assuming the military isnt involved in any unreported activity in the upper atmosphere today, which I think is pretty arrogant. Not trying to offend here, just saying.
    http://contrailscience.com/persistin...ing-contrails/

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    No one here has even attempted to touch thi:

    RG as for your unicorn meat analogy, I dont think it holds water, and here is why: we can very safely assume that any congressmen who takes the time to draft and submit legislation will not spend much time "making up" to include in the bill to prevent future government activity from taking place.

    I think Kucinich's list of "exotic weapons" was drafted with an eye on secret military activity already taking place, or he wouldnt have dedicated time and energy to it.
    And yet RG tells me to put up or shut up. Funny how this got swept under the rug, to make way for conclusory statements of disbelief.

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    Then I should be having this conversation with the author of that article I suppose.

    watch out, WH will be along to call you a "handwaiver" if you dont watch it.

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    I guess we're not allowed to cite the information of those that came before us according to you Parker. Either you witness it or its unprovable.

    Such a strange reality that would be.

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    No one here has even attempted to touch thi:



    And yet RG tells me to put up or shut up. Funny how this got swept under the rug, to make way for conclusory statements of disbelief.
    Exotic weapons. Chemtrails. Lots of dots to connect there, Parker. I ain't seeing any lines yet.

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    Railguns anyone? Pretty exotic.


    Particle weapons? Yikes!


    Let's push those aside and assume exotic weaponry = chemtrails?


    Nope.

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    Speaking of which, I seem to remember seeing a railgun when I was a kid. But I'm sure the military would just deny it if I brought it up. It's a conspiracy!

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    Holy crap! Check this out! What the is the govt putting in the air?


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    Parker managed to unite the entire political forum.

    Nice.

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    Holy crap! Check this out! What the is the govt putting in the air?


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    For those of you that "United" after the first page,
    HR 2977 IH
    107th CONGRESS
    1st Session
    H. R. 2977
    To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.
    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    October 2, 2001


    Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

    A BILL


    To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.
    • Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
    SECTION 1. SHORT LE.


    • This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.
    SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.


    • Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.
    SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.


    • The President shall--


      • (1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and


      • (2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components.
    SEC. 4. WORLD AGREEMENT BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS.


    • The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing a world agreement banning space-based weapons.
    SEC. 5. REPORT.


    • The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on--


      • (1) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by section 3; and


      • (2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the agreement described in section 4.
    SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.


    • Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--


      • (1) space exploration;


      • (2) space research and development;


      • (3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or


      • (4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.
    SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.


    • In this Act:


      • (1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an al ude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.


      • (2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:



        • (i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--




          • (I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;




          • (II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;




          • (III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or




          • (IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.



        • (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--




          • (I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (B);




          • (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or




          • (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.


      • (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--



        • (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;



        • (ii) chemtrails;



        • (iii) high al ude ultra low frequency weapons systems;



        • (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;



        • (v) laser weapons systems;



        • (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and



        • (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.


      • (C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.
    Made it a little bigger this time. Exotic Weapons in this proposed legislation specifically includes "chemtrails." DOD made him redact the language. RG says that Kucinich made that term up in anticipation of future govt activity. I say congressmen dont "make up " to include in legislation.

    But the "United" front is probably right, and chemtrails only exist in an alternate reality.

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    He also included et weapons. They must have aliens!!!

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    Parker...

    It's pretty bad when Random and I agree....
    I'll probably never say this again, but WC did a great job in this thread. Its scary.
    Parker...

    It's even worse when Manny agrees with me.

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    Unless some of these planes are flying incredibly fast, these contrails are most definitely lasting hours.
    I thought that would be expected at what... 40,000 ft or so? Just how cold and at what absolute pressure is it? Seems to me it would take a very long time for that cold air to absorb all that moisture from the jet exhausts.

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    Parker managed to unite the entire political forum.

    Nice.
    He has a way of accomplishing the impossible!

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    He also included et weapons. They must have aliens!!!
    lol you dont know the meaning of extraterrestrial

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    I'm still waiting for Parker to agree/disagree about my railgun theory. Oh and explain why water is less sweet than it used to be.

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    lol, folks arguing that
    [Kuinich was legislating a non-existent governmental activity , on par w/unicorn meat, an activity that the DOD objected to specifically, and was deleted from his subsequent bills]
    in order to save face

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    What exactly did the DoD say Parker?

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    lol, folks arguing that
    [Kuinich was legislating a non-existent governmental activity , on par w/unicorn meat, an activity that the DOD objected to specifically, and was deleted from his subsequent bills]
    in order to save face
    Can you show us a piece of legislation that covers only chemtrails, rather than asking us to believe it never went anywhere because of chemtrails, when so many other things were involved?

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    What exactly did the DoD say Parker?
    read the thread. WC did the research. Then he couldn't interpret his findings, but what he found was important nonetheless.

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    Can you show us a piece of legislation that covers only chemtrails, rather than asking us to believe it never went anywhere because of chemtrails, when so many other things were involved?
    Do you understand that the bill was resubmitted multiple times, with all the other things you speak of still included, but without the chemtrails reference...after DOD's objection to the bill in its original form?

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    Do you even know where the bill came from?

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    Do you even know where the bill came from?
    1. vague question with a mul ude of answers
    2. If you have an argument make it. I have made mine already.

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    DoD objected, but what did they say specifically?

    Let me give you a hint. If I ask how long it's been since you stopped beating your wife, and you disagree/take offense to the question, does that mean you're hiding something?

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