Manu Proving Once Again that He's the Best Closer in the NBA

[ezau]

Oh so now Kobe is a legend?

Yeah, especially in Colorado.

[DAF86]

Oh so now Kobe is a legend?

Who says he wasn't?

[GoodOdor]

I had to stop when you had to say that Dirk is a HOF. When a player has choked multiple times in the playoffs in his entire career, I don't think that player deserves to be mentioned in the HOF class.

To refresh your memory, Dirk did:

choke in 06
choke in 07
and get ass- ed by the Spurs in 2010

Manu on the other hand, delivers when it counts and he was surely the best player for the Spurs in the 2005 playoffs outside of a guy named Duncan.

Manu is a winner and that's something Dirk has been trying to accomplish his entire career.

How's Uncle Adolf?

No one cares what you think. Dirk is a first ballot HOF. If you think otherwise, you're probably a grey named spur fan.

Speaking of choking....

Duncan 10 out 27 finals game 7.....damnnnnn

[GoodOdor]

Oh yeah, Dirk got the 06 Finals MVP award, right? Hey wait a minute....

MVP>almost finals mvp trophy.

Hope this helps.

[Voice of Reason]

It's funny how that comment came from a Laker fan knowing fully well how Kobe rode Shaq's coat tail for three rings.

And then Pau's for 2 more

[jestersmash]

I pretty much agree with all of this, tbh.

Manu's weakness over the course of his career is inconsistency. But when he's on one of those routs where he's playing crazily well, he's one of the best players in the league. Unfortunately, those streaks have been rare...they're not his average performance. And in my opinion, it's pretty hard to deny this. That stretch during the end of last season, he was hands down one of the top players in the league...the stretch alone resulted in Manu finishing top 10 in MVP voting.

Not really. Look at his per 36 minutes statistics since the '04-'05 season. They have been phenomenally consistent.

'04-'05 19.5 PTS @ 60.9 TS%, 12.8 Field Goal Attempts (FGA) (still per 36 min.)
'05-'06 19.5 PTS @ 59.3 TS%, 13.3 FGA
'06-'07 21.7 PTS @ 60.9 TS%, 14.9 FGA
'07-'08 22.6 PTS @ 61.2 TS%, 15.4 FGA
'08-'09 20.8 PTS @ 59.4 TS%, 15.0 FGA
'09-'10 20.7 PTS @ 58.4 TS%, 15.1 FGA
'10-'11 22.5 PTS @ 62.4 TS%, 15.2 FGA

He's rank 3 in Win shares per 48 minutes of all active players in the league. Lebron James is 1st. Tim Duncan is 2nd. Dirk Nowitzki is 4th. Kobe Bryant is 9th. Wade is 8th.

That's consistent as . His field goal attempts per 36 minutes have steadily increased over the years as Duncan's have decreased. Look at his true shooting percentage though. It has always hovered right around 60 since 2005. That's good enough for 8th in the entire league for career numbers (that includes his first year where he wasn't anywhere near the player he became in 2005). Where does Dirk Nowitzki rank for career TS% of all active players in the league? He's 10th.

The numbers are nice, and rest assured I'm in no way shape or form trying to argue that Ginobili > Dirk. That's patently absurd.

I bring it up because as laughable as it is to suggest that Ginobili > Dirk as an individual talent (he's obviously not), it's equally as laughable to see Ginobili so grossly underrated by so many Dirk fans on this board. Hilarious, really, and at the end of the day Ginobili will be laughing all the way to his trophy case with 3 rings.

[ALVAREZ6]

Oh so now Kobe is a legend?

How could I deny Kobe being a legend? I never said nor implied this, if you inferred it then you are mislead.

[rayjayjohnson]

dirk is going to get ass ed by SOMEONE this year, just not sure who at this stage.

there's so many possibilities

spurs have ed him
nuggets have ed him
golden ing state have even ed him

[ALVAREZ6]

No, not really, I actually think Kobe deserves it..but I'm also saying he always did it with either Shaq or Pau + great bench. Doesn't take away from it, but it sure as made it easy. Can't take it away from Kobe he's a of a player, obviously one of the best I've seen.

And no, I'm satisfied with 3 rings for the Spurs.

[ezau]

MVP>almost finals mvp trophy.

Hope this helps.

You mean that MVP award?

The year the Mavericks were skull ed by the Warriors after a 67-15 finish in the regular season?

If it helps your miserable life, when the Dirk was hoisting his MVP award, Manu was celebrating his third championship ring.

[ezau]

No one cares what you think. Dirk is a first ballot HOF. If you think otherwise, you're probably a grey named spur fan.

Speaking of choking....

Duncan 10 out 27 finals game 7.....damnnnnn

yet still getting the ring from the Pistons team that ed the Super LA Lakers team the year before.

Yeah, Duncan really choked.

Oh, before you call out TD's 10-27 shooting game, let me remind you that not so long ago, Robin Bryant went 6-24.

[GoodOdor]

yet still getting the ring from the Pistons team that ed the Super LA Lakers team the year before.

Yeah, Duncan really choked.

Oh, before you call out TD's 10-27 shooting game, let me remind you that not so long ago, Robin Bryant went 6-24.

Kobe choked.

Dunca choked.

Glad we agree

[jestersmash]

lol Giuseppe

[ALVAREZ6]

Kobe should change his number next season to #29, tbh, imo, to represent and honer the number of shots he needs to take to score 30 points in a game

[GoodOdor]

Kobe should change his number next season to #29, tbh, imo, to represent and honer the number of shots he needs to take to score 30 points in a game

That was left'esqe.

[ezau]

Kobe choked.

Dunca choked.

Glad we agree

I guess I have to say yes on that one.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

and Mav fan still says no to Roddy B/Caron for Manu trade

[Voice of Reason]

No, not really, I actually think Kobe deserves it..but I'm also saying he always did it with either Shaq or Pau + great bench. Doesn't take away from it, but it sure as made it easy. Can't take it away from Kobe he's a of a player, obviously one of the best I've seen.

And no, I'm satisfied with 3 rings for the Spurs.

It's not like Kobe teamed up in the off-season with Shaq or Pau and decided to team up and try to take the easy road to a championship...he's just won with what he was given.

Kobe should change his number next season to #29, tbh, imo, to represent and honer the number of shots he needs to take to score 30 points in a game

18 shots for 30+ points
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301215011

[rayjayjohnson]

You mean that MVP award?

The year the Mavericks were skull ed by the Warriors after a 67-15 finish in the regular season?

If it helps your miserable life, when the Dirk was hoisting his MVP award, Manu was celebrating his third championship ring.

best photo ever.

[ALVAREZ6]

18 shots for 30+ points
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301215011

lol, you should ask what KG and the False think about how many shots it takes Kevin Durantula to score 30...

[cobbler]

Kobe should change his number next season to #29, tbh, imo, to represent and honer the number of shots he needs to take to score 30 points in a game

Said on a night he goes for 31 on 18 shots! Classic!

[DAF86]

It's not like Kobe teamed up in the off-season with Shaq or Pau and decided to team up and try to take the easy road to a championship...he's just won with what he was given.

Except, in 2005 and 2006. And if I recall correctly, he cried like a little girl to get help or get traded.

[jestersmash]

lol, you should ask what KG and the False think about how many shots it takes Kevin Durantula to score 30...

Zebras have toned down the superstar love for Durant a bit this year. He's come back down to earth in that regard.

Guy was averaging 10.2 FTA per game for the '09-'10 season.

Kobe Bryant averaged around that from '04-'07 but he's Kobe ing Bryant. Michael Jordan averaged 10.2 FTA and above for his career only 2 seasons, and his career FTA per game average is virtually equal to Durant's.

At the end of the day though, it was blatantly obvious to anyone watching the games that Durant was the beneficiary of an inordinate number of "ticky tack" foul calls than other star players in the league.

[ALVAREZ6]

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Lol comparing role player 3rd option manu to number 1's Kobe and Dirk.

Lol Manu>dirk.

You don't know about basketball. You're an agitator, & you've always been that way. That's most likely why nobody liked you in high school, & if you currently have people you call your friends, I'm sure they don't return the favor. Because you are a smug sad little , who would rather spend his time on the forum of a team he hates, than man the up and get on with your life. Don't you want to know what pussy feels like? It's amazing, now go out and get some! I believe in you!