the bowen "sliding his foot under the jumpshooter" thing is totally overblown. Show me a video of bowen defending a jumpshooter by staying on the ground and placing his foot under. it doesnt exist. what happens is that bowen goes up to contest and lands before the shooter and it has happened, what 4 times? for a guy who played 500+ games for about 30 mpg, guarding scorers for the bulk of those minutes, that is a blip, less than 1%. Do you call nash dirty when he looks for a charge by "sliding" under penetrators, many times without giving them space to turn around and see him (as the rules require)? that is much more purposeful (he's certainly not trying to contest the shot) and fits the definition of undercutting to a T.
the 4th video has the iverson play from the 2nd vid, and the nash knee in the 07 playoffs. its a total double standard. in the iverson play, bowen is up close on iverson and iverson presses into him. that is a foul on bowen, but not a dirty play. yet when bowen has the ball and nash rides up on him, it is bowen that is invading nash's space? that is BS. Its either a foul on bowen and a foul on nash, or a foul on iverson and a foul on bowen, cant have it both ways.
the dirtiest plays i've seen from bruce is the kick to allen and a tussle with VC, but both of those came after some back and forth, with both VC and allen having complained about bowen before the game. the 3rd vid you posted of amare is also dirty as he had no chance at the ball, though he barely managed to lean into him precisely because he was late. I dont see how those incidents are any different than the MULTIPLE ELBOWS TO THE FACE kobe has thrown when frustrated (or many other players for that matter). how about when nash tripped felton, straight up turned around and kicked his legs? of the recent players, danny forston is easily much dirtier than bowen. the difference is no one makes little youtube videos to hate on a nobody, but for a champ like bowen they do.
also IMO chris paul's brand of flopping is dirtier than bowen's brand of pesky defense. bowen tried to contest shots while paul tries to foul players out.
Seriously Spurs fans. Stop reading Dirty as the word dirty.
To casual fans Dirty= defensive prowess.
Just read the article as if it is listing him as the 4 best defender in sports history, which is what this really means. They just don't understand the words they are using.
Terrible list....didnt Ty Cobb sharpen his metal cleats sitting on the dugout? Didnt he intentionally go after basmen with those cleats?
Such utter bull .
List was made by some noob who is too young to remember Maurice Lucas, Bill Lambier ect...
Very good additions. The omission of these players really just invalidates the entire list.
One other add, former Cardinals and Saints offensive tackle, Conrad Dobler. For those who don't remember, Dobler played in the '70's and was annually and universally considered the NFL's Dirtiest player. He was a guy that would routinely resort to practicaly anything in order to get the best of an opposing defensive lineman. He just wasn't your average cheap-shot lineman, who would hold until officials noticed. Instead, he would pull back limbs into awkward positions, poke eyeballs, spit in faces, or intentionally punch or kick into the crotch area of an opposing player. He'd literally do anything to gain an advantage. A lot of his tactics occurred at the bottom of pileups, so as not to draw as much attention. He was reviled by opposing NFL defensive lineman and sometimes by even his own teammates, because he'd rack up an inordinate amount of penalties for his actions.
There just can NEVER be a discussion of dirty players, without mentioning this guy. He was one fo the all-time dirtiest.
Exactly. Clearly a list made up by some who are "prisoners of the present".
Bill Laimbeer, Karl Malone, Rick Mahorn, Reggie Evans, Dennis Rodman, Jeff Ruland. Those are just players immediately off the top of my head that are much dirtier than Bowen.
Robert Horry is #29 on that list. This person had to be a Suns fan, and a complete idiot.
So EricD made that list?
Sad thing is you probably wish you were my age, so you can go back in life and correct all the mistakes your old ass has probably made.
At the same time, it probably makes you depressed that the internet is the closest you can get to the fine young ass I receive. Look at your right hand right now and he's probably telling you I'm right.
Get a clue.
how long have you been a priest?
These new gray Spurs fans are a riot.
What's that suppose to mean?
These new gray Spurs fans are a riot.
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