What in the World Are They Spraying?

[Parker2112]

Not really a strawman argument. I didn't distort what you said, merely tried to fill in the holes with some reasonable assumptions.

Since there seems to be some ambiguity:

Do tell, for what purpose would these "chemical component"s be introduced into atmosphere? Pretty rainbows?

It is your job to define the problem you seem to be so concerned about.

1st: it is a strawman. You interjected a false assertion by me to reject.

2nd: go ahead...admit it.

3rd: You are trying to get me to guess at what the activity is all about, so you can do easy battle with conjecture. Dishonest tactic, imho. If it was that easy to pin down, it wouldnt be the subject of so much debate and speculation. Uneasy with ambiguity much?

[Parker2112]

the implication that DOD told Kucinich to redact exotic weapons is clear as day. They made their objections, and the language was gone in every subsequent draft. That isnt proof positive, but any take that says my take is impossible is a completely disingenuous attempt to save face

[LnGrrrR]

Blatant straw argument. No one said the activity needed to be aimed at a target.

So they're randomly spraying chemicals without trying to affect someone?

[LnGrrrR]

I dont claim to know what why or how. Or even if its harmful. But the evidence is there if your not biased towards skepticism. There is a ton of it in this thread as a matter of fact. But the evidence isnt getting near as much airtime as the namecalling and laughing smilies. Need I say more?

Do they have air quality samples showing chemical residue?

[LnGrrrR]

the implication that DOD told Kucinich to redact exotic weapons is clear as day. They made their objections, and the language was gone in every subsequent draft. That isnt proof positive, but any take that says my take is impossible is a completely disingenuous attempt to save face

I thought you said you knew what DoD said exactly?

Also, have you stopped beating your wife?

Finally, you can't prove that water wasn't sweeter when I was a kid. I remember it.

[Parker2112]

So they're randomly spraying chemicals without trying to affect someone?

no one knows what is happening or why. residents in california claim that they have laboratory tests confirming that water supply is showing abnormal levels of aluminum and barium in areas where that cant be explained with known sources of pollution.

In the Pacific Northwest residents have complained of symptoms after military manuevers for 10-15 years.

see post 1.

But the weatherman says the "chaff" dropped by military is used to scramble radar, so it could be citizens seeing signs from secret military ops that are not aimed at people at all, but aimed at hiding our aircraft activity from other countries.

or these could just be training exercises that the military disregard the affect on environment/citizens. I dont claim to know.

[TeyshaBlue]

keep in mind that this thread started with
- a "no such thing as chemtrails,"
- advanced through a govt admission that the term chemtrails is at least credible enough to find its way into federal legislation (no skeptic spoke on that)
- instead skeptics proceeded to "chemtrails are credible as a photo unicorn meat" (without addressing the bill at all)
-then on to "the congressmen who sponsored the bill had no idea nor control over the contents" implication (congressmen was absolutely made aware of the contents and probably advised against the inclusion...once thats pointed out, skeptics never addressed it again)
- and on to "we cant prove DoD forced Kucinich to redact the chemtrails reference" so that washes the whole thing into the refuse bin, evidently
-the whole time with a blatant attempt disregard for cir stantial evidence up to the rafters.

Mind you, B. Whiteshoes never made an appearance

So there's been no evidence of chemtrails. Ok then.

[Parker2112]

Do they have air quality samples showing chemical residue?

water samples.

[Parker2112]

I thought you said you knew what DoD said exactly?

you either read it or you didnt. use quotes, or your just blowin hot air.

[Parker2112]

So there's been no evidence of chemtrails. Ok then.

post #1.

[TeyshaBlue]

the implication that DOD told Kucinich to redact exotic weapons is clear as day. They made their objections, and the language was gone in every subsequent draft. That isnt proof positive, but any take that says my take is impossible is a completely disingenuous attempt to save face

You've yet to lay out that "clear as day" implication. So lay it out, Parker.

[RandomGuy]

read above. That take is .

FIRST: they misinterpreted extraterrestrial weapons as being of alien origin, rather than being weapons stationed in space. That tells you the intelligene of the author/s was limited.

SECOND: They imply that a congressman doesnt know whats in the bills he sponsors, and that he will sponsor a bill by any kook with an agenda. WHAT A CROCK.

Who wrote this? The original language for the bill was actually created by Alfred Webre and Carol Rosin. See, from Webre’s web site:

http://www.exopolitics.com/

With Dr. Carol S. Rosin and many others, [Webre] is a co-architect of the Space Preservation Act and the Space Preservation Treaty introduced to the U.S. Congress by Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) to ban space-based weapons.
And also

http://www.exopoliticsins ute.org/...PP&M.htm#Webre

With others, Webre is a co-architect of the Space Preservation Treaty (www.peaceinspace.org ) and the Space Preservation Act that was introduced to the U.S. Congress by Congressman Dennis Kucinich and is endorsed by over 270 NGO’s worldwide.
Webre and Rosin started an organization called the “Ins ute For Cooperation In Space“, an organization whose primary purpose is to promote adoption of the Space Preservation Act.

http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-...s-and-hr-2977/

The debunker inlcuded links to the websites and quotes from those websites.

The word extraterrestrial clearly means "space aliens" not "space based weapons".

Sorry you don't like that bit, as you seem to be completely unaware of the bill's original source wording, but I think the interpretation is quite spot-on.

[Parker2112]

there are tons of interviews with fellow californians in that film: scientists, federal agents, local officials, businessmen, residents, etc Teysha. give it a whirl.

The backlash to the govt activity seems to be strongest in your state, bud.

[Parker2112]

http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-...s-and-hr-2977/

The debunker inlcuded links to the websites and quotes from those websites.

The word extraterrestrial clearly means "space aliens" not "space based weapons".

Sorry you don't like that bit, as you seem to be completely unaware of the bill's original source wording, but I think the interpretation is quite spot-on.

Definitions of extraterrestrial on the Web:

• originating or located or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere

[RandomGuy]

the implication that DOD told Kucinich to redact exotic weapons is clear as day. They made their objections, and the language was gone in every subsequent draft. That isnt proof positive, but any take that says my take is impossible is a completely disingenuous attempt to save face

So, no, you have no idea what the DOD actually said to Kucinich?

This is your assertion, your burden of proof.

So far the only thing we know is that the DOD gave an "unfavorable comment" to it.

That could mean just about anything, and is very far from being anywhere close to proving your assertion.

For the 5th time;

What *exactly* did the DOD say concerning "chemtrails", Parker?

[Parker2112]

do you understand where the Earth's atmosphere stops, RG, or do you need a color illustration?

[TeyshaBlue]

there are tons of interviews with fellow californians in that film: scientists, federal agents, local officials, businessmen, residents, etc Teysha. give it a whirl.

The backlash to the govt activity seems to be strongest in your state, bud.

I finished your youtube post. Aside from the overly dramatic scary music, a key component of propaganda films btw, I see no evidence whatsoever presented. I see lots of "I received tons of emails" and "People everywhere have been sending me letters", but I see nothing in the way of hard evidence. Even assuming that they were able to spray aluminum particles, which is very old oil field tech, there's no deductive chain of logic to follow. Sorry. Heresay is heresay.

[Parker2112]

So, no, you have no idea what the DOD actually said to Kucinich?

This is your assertion, your burden of proof.

So far the only thing we know is that the DOD gave an "unfavorable comment" to it.

That could mean just about anything, and is very far from being anywhere close to proving your assertion.

For the 5th time;

What *exactly* did the DOD say concerning "chemtrails", Parker?

This is again Wormtongue tactics. The edits on the bill following DoD's objections (which are not revealed, as you know) clearly imply what the objected to. You know it I know it she knows it.

Time is up for today, fellas.

[TeyshaBlue]

the implication that DOD told Kucinich to redact exotic weapons is clear as day. They made their objections, and the language was gone in every subsequent draft. That isnt proof positive, but any take that says my take is impossible is a completely disingenuous attempt to save face.

You've yet to lay out that "clear as day" implication. So lay it out, Parker.

Waiting.

[RandomGuy]

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Half-truths parker? Why are you lying to us?

extraterrestrial [ˌɛkstrətɪˈrɛstrɪəl]
adj
(Astronomy) occurring or existing beyond the earth's atmosphere
n
(in science fiction) a being from beyond the earth's atmosphere

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/extraterrestrial

VIDEO: Intelligent civilizations' galactic governance authorities to intervene to clean Earth's ecology 2011-15
...

More predicted UFO sightings over New York confirm ETs will intervene in ecology

...

http://www.exopolitics.com/

Looks like the debunker did more work than you did on figuring out the context.

FAIL.

[Parker2112]

I finished your youtube post. Aside from the overly dramatic scary music, a key component of propaganda films btw, I see no evidence whatsoever presented. I see lots of "I received tons of emails" and "People everywhere have been sending me letters", but I see nothing in the way of hard evidence. Even assuming that they were able to spray aluminum particles, which is very old oil field tech, there's no deductive chain of logic to follow. Sorry. Heresay is heresay.

well, there you go. Glad you watched. I realize the film is sensationalized, which may be unfortunate, but you will at least be on the lookout for the two guys bumrushing public officials about chemtrails. Stay on your toes, you may be next.

[Parker2112]

Waiting.

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[RandomGuy]

This is again Wormtongue tactics. The edits on the bill following DoD's objections (which are not revealed, as you know) clearly imply what the objected to. You know it I know it she knows it.

Time is up for today, fellas.

The question will not go-away until you answer it.

For the 6th time it has been asked with no answer.

What *exactly* did the DOD say concerning "chemtrails", Parker?

[LnGrrrR]

water samples.

But no air samples for chemicals in the air.

[Parker2112]

Half-truths parker? Why are you lying to us?


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/extraterrestrial


http://www.exopolitics.com/

Looks like the debunker did more work than you did on figuring out the context.

FAIL.

if you stretch the intent enough, you get the conclusion you want. But you cant reach that conclusion in good faith unless you impute it to Kucinich too. Is that what your saying?