What in the World Are They Spraying?

[Parker2112]

thats what I thought. If you were calling a fair game, the thread is full of skeptics trying to save face, backtracking, making bad faith arguments ...RG and Manny have been schooled throughout, and both are banking on laughing smilies to save them from full on collapse as they lose on point after point (extraterestrial = ET intel, Kucinich had no part in HR 2977, congressmen dont read bills they sponsor, DoD objection/exotic weapons redaction cant possibly imply chemtrail secret ops, etc, etc)...

[Parker2112]

I pinpointed one of them in this thread already. You're welcome.

and your bias led you to jump to wrong conclusions on this one.
smiley be damned.

btw, your welcome for the info.

[LnGrrrR]

LnG, your dead wrong as well:
1. Chaff is composed of aluminum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_(countermeasure)
2. Aluminum is a chemical, which you didnt know...
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek.../Aluminum.html

Hence chaff in contrails = chemtrails.

You guys are chalking up L's right and left here, and all the while the "United Skeptics" claim to be more informed on the topic than a member of the US Congress. Its amazing what a lot of arrogance and a biased media can achieve amongst the sheeples...

Then you yourself are a chemical as well. After all, you're made up of a combination of elements.

Of course, no one says that humans are chemicals because that would be asinine.

[LnGrrrR]

All this obvious evidence of these long-lasting chemtrails, and yet, not one person has gotten an air quality sample from these chemicals while they were still in the air. Amazing.

[LnGrrrR]

And of course, the overwhelming amount of people who say that there are no chemtrails, and all attendant evidence, is outweighed by a few lone nutters with some sketchy puzzle pieces that don't quite fit.

It's Parker's MO.

Too bad he won't answer when he stopped hitting his wife.

[Parker2112]

All this obvious evidence of these long-lasting chemtrails, and yet, not one person has gotten an air quality sample from these chemicals while they were still in the air. Amazing.

again, read the thread.

Hint: try and find the part about commercial aircraft being routed away from military manuevers.

Its amazing that the military can keep things secret? REALLY?

[LnGrrrR]

again, read the thread.

Hint: try and find the part about commercial aircraft being routed away from military manuevers.

Its amazing that the military can keep things secret? REALLY?

Obviously, Parker hasn't paid attention to wikileaks. The government doesn't have some superpower. I'm sure if it's as widespread as you said, some intrepid reporter could take air quality samples.

In fact, the military uses something known as M8 paper, that can test for chemicals. YOu leave it out on target areas, and after an attack, check for droplets. So it's not like you have to be IN the air to get a sample.

[Parker2112]

And of course, the overwhelming amount of people who say that there are no chemtrails, and all attendant evidence, is outweighed by a few lone nutters with some sketchy puzzle pieces that don't quite fit.

It's Parker's MO.

Too bad he won't answer when he stopped hitting his wife.

the fact that it showed up in legislation that got shot down by DoD is enough for anyone without bias to say we cannot know the truth without some additional disclosure. Beyond that, it doesnt matter how many people say it, because like manny says, this country is full of sheep waiting to be told what to believe.

Im not even saying I know wtf is happening, Im saying the questions are valid. And anyone who tries to wave away the implications is blindly and fatally arrogant.

[Parker2112]

Obviously, Parker hasn't paid attention to wikileaks. The government doesn't have some superpower. I'm sure if it's as widespread as you said, some intrepid reporter could take air quality samples.

In fact, the military uses something known as M8 paper, that can test for chemicals. YOu leave it out on target areas, and after an attack, check for droplets. So it's not like you have to be IN the air to get a sample.

the govt may not be good with secrets, but get back to me when wikileaks hits the MIC hard, then we will talk.

[LnGrrrR]

the govt may not be good with secrets, but get back to me when wikileaks hits the MIC hard, then we will talk.

No comment on the ability to test air samples from the ground?

[LnGrrrR]

the fact that it showed up in legislation that got shot down by DoD is enough for anyone without bias to say we cannot know the truth without some additional disclosure. Beyond that, it doesnt matter how many people say it, because like manny says, this country is full of sheep waiting to be told what to believe.

Im not even saying I know wtf is happening, Im saying the questions are valid. And anyone who tries to wave away the implications is blindly and fatally arrogant.

And I'm saying that I'm pretty sure the moon wink at me last night. The fact that I am a soldier in the military who has looked at the moon multiple times adds to my credibility. You can't just handwave my claim away.

[Winehole23]

and your bias led you to jump to wrong conclusions on this one.
smiley be damned.

Bull . Your attempt to cover your pitiful fail, failed.

[Parker2112]

Read the goddamn thread, dude.
Within this thread, there are
- reports of abnormal water samples,
- abnormal weather radar made public by local media,
- eyewitness accounts,
- inexplicable contrails in very low humidity,
- air traffic controllers accounts,
- citizens complaining to Canadian govt,
- inexplicable illness,
- legislation to ban the activity,
- DoD action to cut the damning language,

and yet there is nothing. That is the epitome of arrogant ignorance.

[Parker2112]

Bull . Your attempt to cover your pitiful fail, failed.

and this is yours.

[Parker2112]

And I'm saying that I'm pretty sure the moon wink at me last night. The fact that I am a soldier in the military who has looked at the moon multiple times adds to my credibility. You can't just handwave my claim away.

more of the dismissive mocking in the face of everything above.

Take that list and address each of the issues. till you make it through, save your breath.

[Parker2112]

- reports of abnormal water samples,
- abnormal weather radar made public by local media,
- eyewitness accounts,
- inexplicable contrails in very low humidity,
- air traffic controllers accounts,
- citizens complaining to Canadian govt,
- inexplicable illness,
- legislation to ban the activity,
- DoD action to cut the damning language,

lets add the Hughes aircraft patent to curb global warming as well. Its in the goddamn thread too.

[Parker2112]

No comment on the ability to test air samples from the ground?

if they are doing this right, the particles are staying airborne. next fail please.

[Parker2112]

keep in mind the standard of proof: to create a question of fact. In other words...burden is on you to prove that without a doubt there is no question that chemtrails conspiracy is completely 100% laughable, which is what you and others have been implying.

So in other words get ready to make some phone calls.

[Parker2112]

beyond that is bed time. keep treading LnG, the truth is out there...

[LnGrrrR]

Read the goddamn thread, dude.
Within this thread, there are
- reports of abnormal water samples,
- abnormal weather radar made public by local media

How abnormal? With what frequency are abnormal samples found? Are they accounted for by any other activity?

- inexplicable contrails in very low humidity,

Begging the question. Others have explained the reason for these contrails, you don't accept their evidence.

- air traffic controllers accounts,
- citizens complaining to Canadian govt,

People think they see things all the time. Do you believe in UFOs, ghosts and other phenomena as well?

- inexplicable illness,

If it's inexplicable, how can you link it to the contrails?

- legislation to ban the activity,
- DoD action to cut the damning language,

With no reason of why the DoD cut it. Again, when did you stop hitting your wife?

and yet there is nothing. That is the epitome of arrogant ignorance.

And yet, many people have given reasons, which you choose to not accept. Arrogance indeed.

[ChumpDumper]

keep in mind the standard of proof: to create a question of fact. In other words...burden is on you to prove that without a doubt there is no question that chemtrails conspiracy is completely 100% laughable, which is what you and others have been implying.

So in other words get ready to make some phone calls.

lol proving a negative

[TeyshaBlue]

Here’s how you started.

What is your take on chemtrails?

And I promise not to use the sheeple word.

Progressing nicely

You dont have to watch to have an opinion on chemtrails.

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Finally the Premise:

chemtrails aren't conspiracy. they are a man-made phenomena. everybody knows that.

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Now the passive aggressive repeat of the premise;

anyone with a set of eyes who has lived more than 20 years knows the makeup of "contrails" these days is not just condensation.

I have seen distinct X's and Z's cross from horizon to horizon over hours and hours without losing thickness or form. WC, you know enough about the subject to know thats impossible. just sayin.

But Im not really here to convince. Just wondering about the prevailing opinions here at ST is all.

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Again, progressing nicely.

They evidently exist to the United States Government. Wake the up, fools!

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Knowing things without knowing things

Kucinich tried to stop the activity. DOD nipped that in the bud. Thats all I need to know WC.

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I at least took a shot at trying to get you to define what a chemtrail was

And let's further define chemtrails before WC gets stuck in a syntax-loop.

Atmospheric seeding is well known...is this a chemtrail activity?

Your answer:

lets make it easy: chemtrails is anything other than contrails.

Contrails dissapate realtively quickly. They dont hold form from horizon to horizon. We see streaks across the sky every day that defy this tendency. I understand the science behind contrails. They are pretty easy to spot actually. They begin dispersing within a matter of minutes...not hours.

A couple of the weather men in those vids posted earlier explain that the military drops chaff to confuse radar, and this likely means there is routine training with the stuff, so that is one form of confirmed type of chemtrail, if you believe those professionals.

I dont claim that there is only one type, or that we are being maliciously poisoned etc, I only claim that there is such a thing as "chemtrails," and that congress has tried to stop the practice.

Some of your conclusions are demonstrably incorrect (contrails dissipate relatively quickly. (*Pro tip* “relatively quickly” actually has no meaning whatsoever.), yet you hold steadfastly to them as if they were physical law.

When I was a kid, the phenomena of the everlasting contrail didnt exist. I remember watching contrails disapate behind fighter jets from my grandmother's front yard almost as fast as they were lain, because I was fascinated by fighter jets as a boy. I dont have any need to disbelieve what my eyes tell me either.

And the debate degenerates from there. This is a fairly common MO for you Parker….you open a topic passively. You’re not here to convince or argue, just wanting to know what ST posters think. When a ST Poster thinks something you don’t want him to think, you finally creep out of that cowardly passive-aggressive stance. Then the futility of debate is realized. You’re not here to debate. You’re here to proclaim your knowledge and make sure we “arrogant” know it alls are put in their place.
And now, you’ll deny this completely and lump me in with the rest of the arrogant know it alls. Fine. Dismissed.

[MannyIsGod]

keep in mind the standard of proof: to create a question of fact. In other words...burden is on you to prove that without a doubt there is no question that chemtrails conspiracy is completely 100% laughable, which is what you and others have been implying.

So in other words get ready to make some phone calls.

[RandomGuy]

This is a fairly common MO for you Parker….you open a topic passively. You’re not here to convince or argue, just wanting to know what ST posters think. When a ST Poster thinks something you don’t want him to think, you finally creep out of that cowardly passive-aggressive stance. Then the futility of debate is realized. You’re not here to debate. You’re here to proclaim your knowledge and make sure we “arrogant” know it alls are put in their place.
And now, you’ll deny this completely and lump me in with the rest of the arrogant know it alls. Fine. Dismissed.

Pretty much.

That is how conspiracy theorists work, in general.

Parker has latched on to one of *the* lamest, most ed conspiracy theories in the universe of conspiracy theories.

Logical fallacies, circular logic, and throwing at the wall to see what sticks.

When asked to back up solid assertions, no evidence other than blanket "you know they did it" statements and innuendo is presented.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm pretty sure Parker is a troll, by this point. You'll know I'm right if he pulls up another random conspiracy next.