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    Shooting 70% in the 4th quarter from the field and from 3-point range..has made some key daggers in a number of games this year..

    His balls have been sagging to the floor this year, unlike last season..hopefully he can do it when it matters in the playoffs, but he's been clutch as this season, good start..let's all pray that his balls don't get dry in May..

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    Hopefully...

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    Earning his money! His 4th qtr 3 pointer was big tonight!

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    It's only December

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    I don't care if it's only December because last Mays version of RJ was nowhere near as clutch as RJ is now...the dude hits shots and makes plays when you need them the most, in the 4th.

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    tin on the haters...

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    tin on the haters...
    Not sure who the haters are at this point?

    I remember seeing a thread 3-4 games into the season and someone gave major props to RJ.
    I on the other hand said that we should wait at least 10 games before we could say that Jefferson has
    turned over a new leaf. Now I can honestly say that he's 1 of the reasons why the Spurs are off to a hot start.
    What we expected from him last year, he's doing a year later.

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    For now....

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    haters will always be the ones claiming it was the "worst signing in spurs history"

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    Worst contract in Spurs history according to the experts here.

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    You can't blame people for being critical of the signing especially with the 1st year he had and the amount he was getting.
    But so far he's been a bargain for level of play he's been playing.

    Besides, he isn't the worst contract signing ever...
    Bonner is.

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    You can't blame people for being critical of the signing especially with the 1st year he had and the amount he was getting.
    But so far he's been a bargain for level of play he's been playing.

    Besides, he isn't the worst contract signing ever...
    Bonner is.

    Yeah Bonner sure was horrible tonight with his 10 and 4.

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    Yeah, Bonner and his 53% average from behind the arc.

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    What matters is he fixed his stroke and is now a reliable and legitimate 40% 3 point threat like he was the year before he came over.

    That being said, R.J will get these 3 point opportunities later on in the year when they count even more ( in the playoffs). Some will go down, some will not, but let's hope he takes full advantage of the small sample size of 3 point attempts he will receive.

    Let's remember, not even the best 3 point clutch shooters in history have been clutch every year in the playoffs. This is because of how small the sample size of attempts are per playoff run. People are human and people will miss, even Horry.

    Imagine if Horry wasn't given the opportunities every year ( being on a championship level team every year). Horry had many years (2003,2004,2006,2008) where he failed in the clutch. Luckily enough for him, he played on teams that gave him the opportunities to have a big enough sample size of attempts to where his 3 point percentage met the rightful median over the course of his career in the playoffs. Some of those playoff attempts happened to be in crucial moments, where he succeeded but lets remember he also failed at times too.

    That's why I don't understand how some people say " Oh well this guy has no balls in the playoffs, because he went 0-4 in game 2 of this series yada yada." When they are talking about a player that doesn't even have a large enough sample size to assess the players real ability accurately.

    I'm just glad R.J has improved his 3 point shot immensely. I was convinced it could be done given his rap sheet prior to coming to the Spurs ( him shooting 40% in Milwaukee). Let's just hope he is on the right side of attempts made with the small sample size he will receive come May and hopefully June.
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    I'm shocked a thread with this le didn't evoke a Luke Walton comment within the first hour . . .

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    IMO he doesn't get enough shots or offense run through him.

    IMO his minutes should while Anderson is out be raised, and Ginobilis could be cut down a hair, while running offense through him hill and Blair or others.

    IMO Pops under utilizing him to an extent.

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    Oh yeah, every ing 5 games he goes off..
    But it doesn't matter, I can't wait to see him in the playoffs when he's clutch....
    Oh wait..




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    Oh yeah, every ing 5 games he goes off..
    But it doesn't matter, I can't wait to see him in the playoffs when he's clutch....
    Oh wait..



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    hopefully he'll have his balls in may, june.

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    haters will always be the ones claiming it was the "worst signing in spurs history"
    Worst contract in Spurs history according to the experts here.
    This is about as annoying as the "experts." Regardless, there aren't many haters left, perhaps you guys should drop the act too.

    To be objective, its really not hard to see why people thought of the situation in a negative light. Its not always reason to assume a 30 year old is going to make such a dramatic difference during a summer.

    My personal take was that I would rather have RJ at the 3 than having just 1 James Anderson. Our SF situation was too unstable, and given the lack of quality 3s that we could sign for the amount we had, it was no brainer to me to resign RJ. But even so, I thought the contract was excessive. Especially because there was no one on the market that can pay him remotely that much. As a business, why not low ball him more - that was the real concern most had.

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    Especially because there was no one on the market that can pay him remotely that much. As a business, why not low ball him more - that was the real concern most had.
    Maybe because the Spurs' contract with R.J was pre-arranged before the opt-out even happened?

    Which is why R.J didn't even worry about the free agency process, which was evident by him skipping out to vacation overseas with Kareem Rush, Luke Walton and friends. Ever thought of that?

    If R.J was really looking at other teams or if he did not have a contract pre-arranged already with the Spurs, wouldn't he at least visited other teams? Or stayed in the states for potential visits?

    With how everything transpired, it only made sense that the deal was agreed on way before the Spurs let on because of the rules. Spurs stayed ahead of the game like they always do. IMO

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    Maybe because the Spurs' contract with R.J was pre-arranged before the opt-out even happened?

    Which is why R.J didn't even worry about the free agency process, which was evident by him skipping out to vacation overseas with Kareem Rush, Luke Walton and friends. Ever thought of that?

    If R.J was really looking at other teams or if he did not have a contract pre-arranged already with the Spurs, wouldn't have he at least visited other teams? Or stayed in the states for potential visits?

    With how everything transpired, it only made sense that the deal was agreed on way before the Spurs let on because of the rules. Spurs stayed ahead of the game like they always do. IMO
    I said that was concern most had at the time. There was some hater chatter but most of the discussion was based on the numbers regarding his contract. After the dust settled what you're saying is perfectly logical and probably accepted by most NBA fans.

    Btw, Kareem Rush was in that picture too?
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    RJ has been great. I supported the signing from the start because I was one of the few posters on here saying the Spurs were legit le contendersand his quantum leap would be a reason.

    However, I've also stated many a time that Tiagos gotta be a big part of this team, and he isn't at this point. That worries me.

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    I said that was concern most had at the time. There was some hater chatter but most of the discussion was based on the numbers regarding his contract. After the dust settled what you're saying is perfectly logical and probably accepted by most NBA fans.

    Btw, Kareem Rush was in that picture too?
    +1

    For what they are getting out of RJ this year the contract seems justified now. I can admit I was wrong.

    Though the 11 million player option in year 4 is excessive. Spurs really bent over for RJ on that.

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    There was some hater chatter but most of the discussion was based on the numbers regarding his contract.
    Yes his contract is a little excessive, but to me it's not overpaid by much (if it is, we really don't know because he didn't really test his market value during the free agent process).

    I think the numbers were agreed on before the free agency ever started. It's not just a coincidence that R.J said he would opt out if he could net a 4 year 40 million contract in April. Then 3 months later he signs a 4 year 39 million dollar contract with the Spurs. ( Meaning this deal was possibly discussed and agreed on as early as April.)

    We also don't know what R.J's agent was telling potential suitors during the free agency process. If R.J had agreed under the table with the Spurs before he officially opted- out or before free agency even started (which obviously is the case), then it's obvious why potential suitors weren't going after him ( he wasn't available and had already made a decision; meaning his agent wasn't taking calls or putting forth the effort into promoting R.J to potential suitors).

    Therefore, for some people to say "Nobody wanted R.J and Spurs overpaid and could have signed R.J for 4-5 million," is pretty damn foolish. IMO

    All in all, Spurs obviously did the smart thing by taking advantage of a sure thing, rather than roll the dice and flirt with the possibility of losing R.J to free agency by not agreeing with him before the period started. Had the Spurs let R.J test the free agency ( by electing to play hard ball), Ime Udoka or Bobby Simmons could very well be the starting small forward right now.
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    Back to back choke jobs not good enough? How about a 3rd disappearing act this spring?
    Book it.

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