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    This isn't Congress we're talking about. This is the FCC.

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    Right FCC, unelected group of bureaucrats just made a decision that has been a hot button issue in congress. I know the libs, dems, and socialists got upset when bush did this kind of thing. Are they too against it when their side does this?

    I don't think having the Federal Gvt regulate in any capacity will keep the internet free as, or more free, than it is right now. JMO.

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    I see more download limits like in cell phone co.'s in the future. Also more having to explain yourself when you are using alot of bandwidth, which means less privacy.

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    I see more download limits like in cell phone co.'s in the future. Also more having to explain yourself when you are using alot of bandwidth, which means less privacy.
    Artificial caps though. Unlike in the cellphone case, where bandwidth is based on specific spectrum availability, wired speeds are basically limited in the dozens of gigabits magnitude for coax/switched pair, or nearly speed of light (you'll hit an electronics limits before then until we develop full optic electronics) for fiber.

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    I don't think having the Federal Gvt regulate in any capacity will keep the internet free as, or more free, than it is right now. JMO.
    Your ISP doesn't want the Internet as free as we have it right now.
    I understand you don't like the FCC. But I don't think you've identified who your actual foe is.

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    This isn't Congress we're talking about. This is the FCC.
    The FCC, like all branches of the Exec, is infiltrated with political appointee hacks and under continuous attack industry lobbyists.

    Does anybody think FCC makes rules totally separate from industry influence?

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    "I don't think having the Federal Gvt regulate in any capacity"

    If not the govt, then who regulates?

    We know that industry self-regulation and self-policing fails every time.

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    the consumer regulates. IMO there is not a need for regulation because there is no real problem.

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    From dial-up to the highspeed internet we have right now and satelitte. Do you think this type of improvements and advancements would have come with the regulations that the dems wanted in the early 90's?

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    the consumer regulates. IMO there is not a need for regulation because there is no real problem.
    Yeah, I'm sure consumers would have broken up Ma Bell eventually...

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    the consumer regulates.
    Bull .

    Go tell cable customers to "regulate" the tiness out of Comcast or whatever local monopoly people have to buy from.

    When all the cc issuers or cell phone providers offer the same minefield, hyper-complex contracts, like with 2-year minimums and disco penalties, why aren't the consumers regulatin those conditions out of the marketplace?

    There are so many examples of consumers getting screwed, you people are on some different planet.

    The corps work very hard, and very effectively, to reduce consumer choice.

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    From dial-up to the highspeed internet we have right now and satelitte. Do you think this type of improvements and advancements would have come with the regulations that the dems wanted in the early 90's?
    I don't outright know what the dems wanted in the 90's. You'll have to refresh my memory. What I can tell you is that the service we get right now is nowhere near the top 10 in the world. We've been lagging in broadband adoption a lot, and it has everything to do with pricing and greed and little to do with infrastructure.

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    I didn't mean to insinuate that no govt. regulation is good. obviously breaking up monopolies, created in part by federal inside deals, is good to the consumer and out of their abilities to affect the market.

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    I can't wait to move to a place where I can get any kind of internet service that has more than a 2mbps bandwidth from a provider other than Comcast. I can easily say Comcast is the worst company I've ever had to deal with.
    I agree, but is it reason enough to make more bureaucracy?

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    Well, I was merely commenting on my outright hatred of Comcast. I support some enforcement of net neutrality for reasons outside of my hatred for comcast.

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    El Nono, do you disagree with the prediction from most experts right now that net neutrality will take away more private reinvestment?

    Can you explain why all the Socialist and Marxist groups are pushing this? Why they feel this to be a step towards overthrowing capitalism?
    That's really the key. The internet has seen phenomenal growth because it wasn't burdened by the government. I simply cannot believe it will keep pace with government interference.

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    Well, I was merely commenting on my outright hatred of Comcast. I support some enforcement of net neutrality for reasons outside of my hatred for comcast.
    Yes, I know. You are an authoritarian. We all understand that. Most liberals like you, Elno-it-all, etc. are authoritarians.

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    I already told you this is not about overall bandwidth. But you keep on posting.

    There are no chokepoints right now that cannot be worked out. We have more fiber laid out than we can use. Go read up on dark fiber. This isn't Ted Stevens' series-of-tubes anymore.

    I have a 5 apartment ONT right under my bedroom window. The current consumer fiber infrastructure was built WITH net neutrality, and with the companies making money on top of that.

    What's really sad is that you're exactly like the people that legislates over this: think they know what they're talking about and are completely misinformed.
    I know what you are saying, but i don't believe you. You have shown no proof that it isn't about bandwidth.

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    This isn't Congress we're talking about. This is the FCC.
    Just as bad. A bureaucracy of selected elitists.

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    Yes, I know. You are an authoritarian. We all understand that. Most liberals like you, Elno-it-all, etc. are authoritarians.

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    I know what you are saying, but i don't believe you. You have shown no proof that it isn't about bandwidth.
    What you believe is irrelevant in that you've demonstrated widely to know absolutely nothing on the current state of affairs as far as network comms is concerned. Unfortunately bringing up to speed somebody that missed the last 20-25 years in telecommunications is a futile effort, especially if said person is unwilling to listen in the first place.

    When you have to pay more to access Spurstalk and still get incrdibly ty service, don't forget this thread!

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    Just as bad. A bureaucracy of selected elitists.
    Probably worse. That said, such description fits just as nicely to company CEO's...

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    What you believe is irrelevant in that you've demonstrated widely to know absolutely nothing on the current state of affairs as far as network comms is concerned. Unfortunately bringing up to speed somebody that missed the last 20-25 years in telecommunications is a futile effort, especially if said person is unwilling to listen in the first place.

    When you have to pay more to access Spurstalk and still get incrdibly ty service, don't forget this thread!
    Well, it's been since 1992. Not quite 20 years. The technology changes some, but some realities do not. As forgetting worse service? That's what I expect net neutrality to do. Left alone, I expect my service will only get better.

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    ElNono.

    The last switch I worked on was an AT&T DACS III frame. Thing was amazing for it's time. There is little difference in concept of packet switching in the past, to present. Just the increased formats, speeds, media, etc.

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    Yes, I know. You are an authoritarian. We all understand that. Most liberals like you, Elno-it-all, etc. are authoritarians.
    You commented on your hatred of Comcast earlier... But then we already know you're an authoritarian...

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