History2b IN DA HOOOUSE!!!
Lol, then there's no way in you watched Rodman play ball. The guy was a freak and didn't back down from anybody for a second. As History2b already said, Rodman successfully defended the likes of Charles Barkley, Hakeem, Worthy, Magic, Malone, etc.Theres no way in Rodman could've gaurded the Rasheed Wallace's, Kevin Garnett's, Shaquille O'neals like Duncan could have.
Thanks, this is all you had to say.Also, Of course Rodman was a better defensive player.
Correct.
Correct...Rodman is better on the boards,
...Pointless and wrong. So, Rodman was grabbing rebounds at the expense of defensive positioning. Because grabbing a board means you have to play defense right after.but often at the expense of defensive position.
Except that isn't the topic. The topic is - who is the better defender? Not - what do you want? Better defense is always better defense.It all just depends on what you want.
Lol, it's only worthless because Duncan never won the award. Face it, fanboy, if Duncan had two DPOY awards you'd be playing those cards. But he doesn't, so you aren't.DPOY is worthless in the debate between the two imo.
Rodman does, and it's completely relevant to the discussion.
Good to see you Tbone!
The thing I love most about Spurstalk is that the type of garbage this tool just spewed has done unchallenged for so long they actually believe it.
It's like walking into a cult's compound and seeing massive shrines erected in Tim Duncan's name with a bunch of morons parading around acting like he is the in messiah.
We come in with knowledge outside of their tiny enclave and they got really offended.
If you have to relate it to your life (unless the structure is predetermined), I'd start with an anecdote about yourself, preferably something that makes an audience laugh and you can pivot to make a more poignant point.
College Education
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That kind of delusional yes-duncan mentality seems to be a permanent airborne disease transferred from one Spur fan to another.
Nice cult analogy. Convincing a Spur fan that Duncan isn't the greatest defensive player all time is akin to convincing an Amish man to use electricity and automotive vehicles.
LOL@ all this being said about Tim Duncan on the NBA forum. Some of you mother ers are really pathetic.
Why, because you don't possess the basketball IQ to counter any of the points made in this thread?
Why, because Rodman is a better defender than Duncan?
In your twisted delusional mind, is Duncan the best at everything?
Don't really care about this thread. I was talking in general. All this Duncan stuff is just too much.
Also, I don't know if Dennis was a better defender cause I didn't watch games in the 90's, so I can't really say.
And no, Duncan is not the best at everything, but he is one of the best players in the NBA. And he deserves respect, not all this bull .
using DPOY to judge who was actually better defender
wow
what's next, use MVP to judge who was a better player????
You do care about this thread. Otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on it and posted what you posted.
I commend you for being honest about not watching basketball in the 90's. Make no mistake, it was a great period of basketball.
Duncan gets plenty of respect. Plenty of Duncan fanboys pump him up (at the expense of other players accomplishments) and bow down to him here every day.
I'll gladly be in the minority here and call it how it is. If I said Larry Bird was a better 3pt shooter, Duncan fanboys would rush in and exclaim Duncan was better because he hit a 3pter vs. PHO in the playoffs.
Asking again....
Also, a reason why Defensive Win Shares are "worthless" would be nice. Just saying it doesn't make it so.
Defensive Win Shares, lol
What next +/- stats and PERs?
Without stats, awards or anything, who is the better defender Bruce Bowen or Matt Bonner?
You do care about this thread. Otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on it and posted what you posted.
I commend you for being honest about not watching basketball in the 90's. Make no mistake, it was a great period of basketball.
Duncan gets plenty of respect. Plenty of Duncan fanboys pump him up (at the expense of other players accomplishments) and bow down to him here every day.
I'll gladly be in the minority here and call it how it is. If I said Larry Bird was a better 3pt shooter, Duncan fanboys would rush in and exclaim Duncan was better because he hit a 3pter vs. PHO in the playoffs.
This scrub needs to go back to those pathetic ESPN forums. We. Dont. Give. A. . aka DGAF so GTFO MF POS SOB HA HA
Please explain why they're flawed then. It should be easy to do if they're laughable.
He won't do that. He expects everyone to know what he is thinking. And if that were true, he'd scare us all off.
Nice to see loincloth and history still have a hard on for Duncan and anything Spurs. Hilarity.
Duncan has been a better defender in every way you can measure it, including the "eye test". The only part of Rodman's game I give him a nod would be perimeter defense. Protecting the paint and the rim, which has the most effect on the game is where the comparision's end. Rodman wasn't on the same level as Duncan.
Simple.
But you're going to have to respond to my questions if we are going to make any progress here...
First of all, I think statistics are a useful tool as they can provide a fair amount of insight. The problem is when people, like yourself, attempt to use them as the end all be all fact on the matter.
Who is the better defensive player:
Kobe Bryant or Dirk Nowitzki?
Wow, looks like even the cloven hoofed swine managed to get a Spurstalk account.
Technology is amazing these days.
Now that is a thread worthy topic . . . you should start one.
This is the problem with Spurstalk...
Every time a legitimate basketball discussion has potential to get underway a got with a Lakers stick lodged up his ass comes in and disrupts things.
I already gave a legitimate opinion on this thread, jackass.
You see, it doesn't matter . . . You aren't interested in debate. You are only interested in pushing your agenda by using circular arguments. You've disrupted your own thread countless times because you are not seriously trying to debate. You should thank your sad, stained hump pillow that anyone bothers to respond to you at all.
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