I accept your admission of failure.You've resorted to ad hominem attacks with no actual rebuttal. Congratulations.
Also, if you had read upthread, I said I agreed that Rodman was a bit better than Duncan. But I guess the idea that someone who agreed with you might actually call you on all the bull suppositions you put into your argument didn't process.
No, it's completely accurate.
You begging me to create a new thread comparing Rodman to Ben Wallace is a concession of defeat among other things.
You are exposing yourself more and more as a Duncan fanboy that can't stand to speak up for the TRUTH if it means putting somebody else over Duncan.
It wouldn't even matter if we were debating who was better at chewing gum, you would have a problem putting anybody over Duncan at anything.
He's your man.
no, he's YOUR man. Tim Duncan's untouchable legacy haunts you and 2b, obviously.
I already suggested a psychiatrist for this obsession to 2b. Maybe you two can have duel sessions some time and cry about Tim together to someone else who doesn't give a but at least gets paid?
Not reaching at all. Rodman is one of the best rebounders to ever lace them up. But no one in the history of the NBA has the defensive longevity of Duncan.
This should be a thread about defensive specialists. Go compare Rodman to Bowen, Ben Wallace, or Mark Eaton.
To me, I view Rodman as the frontcourt counterpart to Bruce Bowen. Bowen often played the SF, but routinely guarded the perimeter guards on defense, and was an absolute PEST, just as Rodman was to opposing big men. When you're guarding the perimeter, you want a 1-on-1 pest defender. When you're down low, you love a pest defender, but you also want a big man that controls the paint.
Rodman's a great athlete and world-class defender, but he wasn't an intimidating shot-blocker that deterred the dribble penetration. The Duncan's, Robinsons, Olajuwons, and Howards of the world are great 1-on-1 defenders, but they also anchor the defense by controlling the paint. Unless you're Ben Wallace, you have to be 6'10" or taller to do that; but that just wasn't in the realm of Rodman's role or skill-set.
I can resort to ad hominem attacks all I want now as the war (debate) is over, whether or not you agreed with me. When the Nazi's lost the war, did the Russians/American's simply back out of their country and let all of the supporters off scott-free? No. They burned and destroyed buildings and raped widows.I accept your admission of failure.
Also, if you had read upthread, I said I agreed that Rodman was a bit better than Duncan. But I guess the idea that someone who agreed with you might actually call you on all the bull suppositions you put into your argument didn't process.
Did they give a flying frisbee what the supporters thought?
The Spurs lost the war in 08 and their grave has been repeatedly pee'd and poo'd on by their former enemies ever since. I have no problem participating in this ongoing grave party.
Nice non-sequitur.
Nice to see you admit your trolling in this thread, troll.
Oh, and that "corpse" in the grave is currently #1 in the League - over your Lakers.
Can you taste the dirt?
I should've figured a homer Lakerfan couldn't intelligently debate.
Dennis Rodman is by far a better defender than anyone who's ever played for the Lakers tbh.
lol intelligent Lakerfan oxymoron
lol debate
lol lakerfan answering my question on a troll threadThe Spurs.
Which Laker does lakaluva or tbonewhatever think was a better defender than Rodman?
What's funny is that his ultimate reason for not liking Defensive Win Shares was because a) they weren't tangible (although they are based off tangible statistics) and b) Red Auerbach/Phil Jackson didn't talk about them (to his knowledge).
lol @ that newb Zelo trying to reason with lakaluva. That paki can't reason, all he can do is troll spurfans with sub 80 IQs.
The worst posters are the posters that will shoot down advanced stats or whatever, with their only counter-argument being, "advanced stats HAHA! you don't know anything about the game!"..
Posters like tbonewalker and history2b have absolutely no ability to argue or back up their points..all their arguments are unquantifiable and they don't provide any evidence to prove their arguments..I would absolutely love to watch either of these guys play basketball, considering how much they talk about "the game"..if either of you guys are ever in NY, private msg me, please
As for advanced stats, none of them can be used as primary arguments(just like anything else), stats like PER are over-used and are pretty weak, but they provide some evidence and give a different view..
It's not a surprise that the NBA's front offices are starting to use advanced stats more often as they expand, most teams are hiring advanced stats guys to put on the payroll, as even Gregg Popovich said, just last week..
Only thing Lngrrr wrecking is his right hand...advanced stat guy is like the guy who takes Extenze...
They're usually the guys that say my may not be big as yours but...or my balls are not that small compared to my sons...or when my is hard I can compete with you flaccid...they're the guys that won't watch porn with their ladies because they have big penis envy.....that's all you need to know about advanced stat guy...
Rodman by far. not even close
and who's fault is that?
Except I never actually defended Defensive Win Shares. I didn't even have to get to that point. Dumbasses couldn't even defend why they thought DWS were "stupid".Only thing Lngrrr wrecking is his right hand...advanced stat guy is like the guy who takes Extenze...
They're usually the guys that say my may not be big as yours but...or my balls are not that small compared to my sons...or when my is hard I can compete with you flaccid...they're the guys that won't watch porn with their ladies because they have big penis envy.....that's all you need to know about advanced stat guy...
Of course, I don't expect you to understand advanced stats when you can't even write a proper sentence.
I guess their strategy is to comment on enough different threads to bury this on page 2 so no one will call them out on their lack of analysis?
Rebounding
Rodman > Duncan
Everything else
Duncan > Rodman
Everyone cites Rodman's superior rebounding over Duncan, but actually where it counts the most, the playoffs, Duncan outrebounded Rodman.
Even when you adjust for per 36, the rebounding is almost the same, which basically means Rodman's main fortay, rebounding, went down in the playoffs, while Duncan's has always gone up.
You have to go back a long way to find a player that rebounded more than Duncan in the 03 finals or had more blocks per game.
Again, the number one job of an NBA "big" defensively, is rim protection. Duncan blocked over 5 shots a game in 03, and almost 3 a game for 170 playoff games.
Not one GM would have taken Rodman over Duncan, even if you ignore Duncan's offensively prowess. Elite 7' foot dominant bigs are just too rare.
Chicago would have traded Rodman for Duncan in a second had they played at the same time....
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