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    memo to the brain dead idiots.. there are gay people in the military now taking showers with other dudes..


    sincerely,

    gay guy in the military..


    BOO!

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    Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START
    U.S. Naval Ins ute - December 23, 2010

    President Barack Obama was outmaneuvered by the Russians and should have abandoned the New START negotiations instead of seeking a political victory, says former nuclear plans monitor Vice Admiral Jerry Miller, USN (Ret).

    “The Obama administration is continuing a dated policy in which we cannot even unilaterally reduce our own inventory of weapons and delivery systems without being on parity with the Russians,” Miller told the U.S. Naval Ins ute in Annapolis, Md. “We could give up plenty of deployed delivery systems and not adversely affect our national security one bit, but New START prohibits such action - so we are now stuck with some outmoded and useless elements in our nuke force.”

    After meeting resistance from several Republicans, the U.S. Senate ratified the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with Russia by a vote of 71-26 on Wednesday.

    “The Soviets/Russians were done in by Reagan and our missile defense program because they cannot afford to build such a system,” said Miller. “They instead try to counter our program with rhetoric at the bargaining table. And they won by outmaneuvering Obama. START plays right into their hands.”

    Former President Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) is often credited with bankrupting the U.S.S.R. because the Soviets were unable to keep pace with the technology being developed by the United States.

    “We have always been superior in quality of our nuclear force, so we did not have to negotiate with a party we do not trust,” said Miller. “If Obama wanted to save some money and improve national defense, he should have gotten out of the nuke negations and acted unilaterally. START is simply a political victory for Obama.”

    Miller, who helped prepare the National Strategic Target List and Single Integrated Operational Plan for waging nuclear war and later participated in arms control meetings with the Soviet government, expressed concern that START could leave the United States vulnerable to other emerging threats.

    “The treaty prohibits the conversion of an existing ballistic missile system into a missile defense system,” said Miller. “We might want to do that with a Trident or an ICBM sometime in the future, particularly if the Chinese alleged threat materializes.”

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    DADT was dumb to begin with.

    9/11 responders bill just exists to villify anyone who dares oppose it.

    Nuclear arms race with the Russians hasn't been an issue for well over 20 years.


    Fuming?


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    Repealing Don't ask don't tell is popular. The 9/11 responder bill is popular. The START treaty is popular.

    What unpopular bills are the ramming through?
    Agreed. I could care less about gots in the military. Agreeing to give 9/11 responders free life time health care is a lot better than writing them multi-million dollar checks "just because". I'm OK with passing the START treaty. We will still have a load of nukes.

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    memo to the brain dead idiots.. there are gay people in the military now taking showers with other dudes..


    sincerely,

    gay guy in the military..


    BOO!
    I didn't know you are in the military.

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    I didn't know you are in the military.
    I'm not in the military..you're not insuating that since I haven't served in the military that there haven't been gays serving in the miltary?

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    I'm not in the military..you're not insuating that since I haven't served in the military that there haven't been gays serving in the miltary?

    you signed off as "gay guy in military"


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    you signed off as "gay guy in military"

    He's in the gay militia.

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    I'm not in the military..you're not insuating that since I haven't served in the military that there haven't been gays serving in the miltary?
    Yep, that's exactly what I was getting at. I couldn't possibly have been making fun of you for signing, gay guy in the military.

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    Speaking of gays in the military - I just found out that one of the men at the forefront of this debate is a guy I knew back when I lived in San Antonio. I was shocked because I never knew he was gay.

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    Speaking of gays in the military - I just found out that one of the men at the forefront of this debate is a guy I knew back when I lived in San Antonio. I was shocked because I never knew he was gay.
    A man chooses to have another man as his sexual partner...and you're shocked?

    George Michael being gay, now that's a shocker.

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    I'm shocked because when I knew him, he dated women.

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    Speaking of gays in the military - I just found out that one of the men at the forefront of this debate is a guy I knew back when I lived in San Antonio. I was shocked because I never knew he was gay.
    You mean he didn't tell you?

    Wow.

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    Are Republicans fuming?

    Democrats should be fuming that they did not take care of these things long before the election.

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    memo to the brain dead idiots.. there are gay people in the military now taking showers with other dudes..


    sincerely,

    gay guy in the military..


    BOO!
    You miss the point. Others don't know, they aren't open. One big can of worms this will open up is a phobes will clubber gays in the shower, claiming he got frisky. Or... gays might actually get frisky, get clobbered, and say it was a hate crime. As for the showering, some people get very disgusted at the though of someone sizing them up, feel violated like a naked women would in the mens shower. The school example was used, but how PE isn't mandatory after such a grade level that approximately equates to puberty, and sexual awareness. It's not comparable, and students have a choice to take the electives or not.

    You have no such choice in the military!

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    I'm shocked because when I knew him, he dated women.
    Wow, I have never known a gay man who once dated women.

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    Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START
    U.S. Naval Ins ute - December 23, 2010

    President Barack Obama was outmaneuvered by the Russians and should have abandoned the New START negotiations instead of seeking a political victory, says former nuclear plans monitor Vice Admiral Jerry Miller, USN (Ret).

    “The Obama administration is continuing a dated policy in which we cannot even unilaterally reduce our own inventory of weapons and delivery systems without being on parity with the Russians,” Miller told the U.S. Naval Ins ute in Annapolis, Md. “We could give up plenty of deployed delivery systems and not adversely affect our national security one bit, but New START prohibits such action - so we are now stuck with some outmoded and useless elements in our nuke force.”

    After meeting resistance from several Republicans, the U.S. Senate ratified the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with Russia by a vote of 71-26 on Wednesday.

    “The Soviets/Russians were done in by Reagan and our missile defense program because they cannot afford to build such a system,” said Miller. “They instead try to counter our program with rhetoric at the bargaining table. And they won by outmaneuvering Obama. START plays right into their hands.”

    Former President Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) is often credited with bankrupting the U.S.S.R. because the Soviets were unable to keep pace with the technology being developed by the United States.

    “We have always been superior in quality of our nuclear force, so we did not have to negotiate with a party we do not trust,” said Miller. “If Obama wanted to save some money and improve national defense, he should have gotten out of the nuke negations and acted unilaterally. START is simply a political victory for Obama.”

    Miller, who helped prepare the National Strategic Target List and Single Integrated Operational Plan for waging nuclear war and later participated in arms control meetings with the Soviet government, expressed concern that START could leave the United States vulnerable to other emerging threats.

    “The treaty prohibits the conversion of an existing ballistic missile system into a missile defense system,” said Miller. “We might want to do that with a Trident or an ICBM sometime in the future, particularly if the Chinese alleged threat materializes.”
    May as well give the Russians the keys to our nation.

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    The school example was used, but how PE isn't mandatory after such a grade level that approximately equates to puberty, and sexual awareness. It's not comparable, and students have a choice to take the electives or not.
    Where did you go to school that you have no mandatory PE after you hit puberty??

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    Where did you go to school that you have no mandatory PE after you hit puberty??
    Puberty is an ongoing process, and maybe the times are different, but few people start getting interested in sex until about 15. I believe that has accelerated with peer pressure, media, etc. Kids think they are suppose to be interested in sex. When they still think girls are gross, the go gay! Just a theory, but it would explain the growing trend.

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    Puberty is an ongoing process, and maybe the times are different, but few people start getting interested in sex until about 15. I believe that has accelerated with peer pressure, media, etc. Kids think they are suppose to be interested in sex. When they still think girls are gross, the go gay! Just a theory, but it would explain the growing trend.
    welcome to 1950.

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    WC thinks gays will join the military exclusively to cruise straight guys in the shower.

    Why are male opponents of this bill obsessed with the idea of being raped in a group shower? Do they really consider themselves to be that irresistible to sexuals?

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    Puberty is an ongoing process, and maybe the times are different, but few people start getting interested in sex until about 15. I believe that has accelerated with peer pressure, media, etc. Kids think they are suppose to be interested in sex. When they still think girls are gross, the go gay! Just a theory, but it would explain the growing trend.
    So much facepalm in one post....

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    worried about being laughed at.

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    You miss the point. Others don't know, they aren't open. One big can of worms this will open up is a phobes will clubber gays in the shower, claiming he got frisky. Or... gays might actually get frisky, get clobbered, and say it was a hate crime. As for the showering, some people get very disgusted at the though of someone sizing them up, feel violated like a naked women would in the mens shower. The school example was used, but how PE isn't mandatory after such a grade level that approximately equates to puberty, and sexual awareness. It's not comparable, and students have a choice to take the electives or not.

    You have no such choice in the military!
    sounds more like prison that the military.

    what happens if a straight woman drops the soap in a lesbian filled shower?

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    I think WC would be disappointed if a gay man didn't rape him in the shower.

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