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    interesting breakdown. This has high chance of going down IMO.


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    Don't forget the 6 million strong NK reserves.

    The NKers have pathetic equipment, they're not well-trained, and their supplies are low, but having that many ppl near the border (and having artillery that can easily reach Seoul) means a lot of pain for South Korea if they let it fly.

    The one thing your chart omits is nukes, and that madman in charge in Pyongyang is idiotic enough to let them fly if things aren't going his way.

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    interesting breakdown. This has high chance of going down IMO.

    Might be an interesting imbalance at first glance, but does North Korea have any modern USA made equipment?

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    Don't forget the 6 million strong NK reserves.

    The NKers have pathetic equipment, they're not well-trained, and their supplies are low, but having that many ppl near the border (and having artillery that can easily reach Seoul) means a lot of pain for South Korea if they let it fly.

    The one thing your chart omits is nukes, and that madman in charge in Pyongyang is idiotic enough to let them fly if things aren't going his way.
    I don't know this as fact, but I think S. Korea has a few USA made nukes up their sleeve.

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    That NK artillery may not be as effective as you might think. The US has countermeasure technology that computer analyzes the source of the incoming round and counterfires. They may get 2 rounds off per cannon before they get zapped.

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    I think I can speak for S. Korea when I say...


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    That NK artillery may not be as effective as you might think. The US has countermeasure technology that computer analyzes the source of the incoming round and counterfires. They may get 2 rounds off per cannon before they get zapped.
    Yep, sighted on the first, and a round is on it's way as the second one get off... If the NK's are lucky!

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    Yep, sighted on the first, and a round is on it's way as the second one get off... If the NK's are lucky!
    Why didn't they use that when the island was s ed?

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    Why didn't they use that when the island was s ed?
    I can't speak to the truthfulness of CC/WC's comment, but they might not want to have retaliated right away due to the chances of it sparking off a full-fledged war.

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    What about the Antarctica war with Aliens?

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    Don't forget the 6 million strong NK reserves.

    The NKers have pathetic equipment, they're not well-trained, and their supplies are low, but having that many ppl near the border (and having artillery that can easily reach Seoul) means a lot of pain for South Korea if they let it fly.

    The one thing your chart omits is nukes, and that madman in charge in Pyongyang is idiotic enough to let them fly if things aren't going his way.
    NK is China's dog: all bark no bite. It's DISASTER for China, financially, if NK attacks, therefore, they won't.

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    CC is right that the United States has possessed artillery countermeasures that allow us to pinpoint artillery fairly quickly and respond with counter battery fire very quickly as well.

    That doesn't mean the North Koreans wouldn't still have the ability to absolutely reduce Seoul to rubble and inflict a large amount of casualties upon the South. They would not be able to do it forever but that doesn't mean it wouldn't leave one of a mark.

    Think about all those movies where the same scene plays out where you have a Mexican standoff. One guy with a gun to anothers head, but with 10 guns pointed at his head. Sure, the 10 guns will take good care of the gunman, but that doesn't mean the person with the gun to their head is any less dead at the end of the situation.

    That is pretty much the situation you have in Korea.

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    It won't happen simply for the fact that the NK "leadership" knows it would lose all of its remaining power and all that comes with it: the Swedish hookers, Uzbekistani caviar, millions of dollars worth of Mercedes, endless bottles of Hennessy, etc. The NK leadership may seem stupid, which they probably are in many ways, but they know that full-scale war only spells doom for them. On the other hand the last thing SK and the Western world needs is another war across the globe so I don't see a real preemptive strike happening either even though NK is on track to having potentially capable WMD ICBM tech whereas Iraq had lots of oil.

    The most that the NK leadership will do is just rattle their saber until finally their situation collapses through revolution or hopefully a peaceful and quick surrender. They're too busy living the good life to share it, bunch of Scrooges.
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    Reducing the population of the area close to the border of that Penninsula would be great if it weren't for so many great high quality products that US citizens enjoy from South Korea.

    BTW, war is not close.

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    Wouldn't this be tragic if all this was a result of a few machismo N. Korean grunts and not some big conspiracy by Lil Kim's son to go to war with the South? ...saber-raddeling...

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    War in Korea is close
    They are technically still at war. Never been a peace treaty, just a long standing cease fire that gets violated a few times each decade.

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    Here is how you will know if, or when, Korea is ever really going to war....the money will leave the Peninsula...

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    NK is China's dog: all bark no bite. It's DISASTER for China, financially, if NK attacks, therefore, they won't.
    In the wikileaks cables, it was stated that China really doesn't know how to deal with NK and it doesn't have the pull the US thinks they do with NK.

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    In the wikileaks cables, it was stated that China really doesn't know how to deal with NK and it doesn't have the pull the US thinks they do with NK.
    Considering they're feeding the entire NK, including the party elites, I'd say that was some leverage. If they cut off all aid, military and food, NK would collapse like an flawed souffle. Rolling a few million infantry right up to the Yalu would have the Kim family needing a change of undies.

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    Considering they're feeding the entire NK, including the party elites, I'd say that was some leverage. If they cut off all aid, military and food, NK would collapse like an flawed souffle. Rolling a few million infantry right up to the Yalu would have the Kim family needing a change of undies.
    I'm pretty sure the population of NK is treated as slaves already. Only the military structure has a healthy supply of food, and they can simply make the peasants work harder. It's pretty bad there for the people.

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    Rolling a few million infantry right up to the Yalu
    That would take some serious logistics.

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    Considering they're feeding the entire NK, including the party elites, I'd say that was some leverage. If they cut off all aid, military and food, NK would collapse like an flawed souffle. Rolling a few million infantry right up to the Yalu would have the Kim family needing a change of undies.
    Do you have actual data to back your claim up? While your at it, why don't you look and see how much we give.

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    In the wikileaks cables, it was stated that China really doesn't know how to deal with NK and it doesn't have the pull the US thinks they do with NK.
    this makes the most sense.

    SK and US politicians blaming china for north korea is just a political ploy. NK is led by a psycho. that is obvious. China doesn't know and doesn't want to deal with it.

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    Why is a Mexican so concerned with American politics anyway?
    Because the job market is failing them too. Not as much money to send to the extended family in Mexico.

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    Do you have actual data to back your claim up? While your at it, why don't you look and see how much we give.
    I think at one point we were giving some, for the duration of some behavior on NK's part that probably lasted about 10 minutes. That would have been 4-5 years ago.

    China is and has been the primary provider of food to NK since the fall of the USSR, at least. NK produces so little food that their ARMY would starve without China.

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