Better Defender: Dennis Rodman or Tim Duncan

[rickross]

lmao at dis thread. Wyrm dont hold a candle to duncan.

[poop]

its apparently fashionable right now to try to downgrade tim.

combine this with the tendency to over-inflate retired/old players.

Rodman was a great defender when he wanted to be. which was about 40-60% of the time. duncan was and is a great defender 100% of the time. and duncan in his early years was so vastly superior to rodman its not even funny

[tbonewalker]

Everyone cites Rodman's superior rebounding over Duncan, but actually where it counts the most, the playoffs, Duncan outrebounded Rodman.

Even when you adjust for per 36, the rebounding is almost the same, which basically means Rodman's main fortay, rebounding, went down in the playoffs, while Duncan's has always gone up.

You have to go back a long way to find a player that rebounded more than Duncan in the 03 finals or had more blocks per game.

Again, the number one job of an NBA "big" defensively, is rim protection. Duncan blocked over 5 shots a game in 03, and almost 3 a game for 170 playoff games.

Not one GM would have taken Rodman over Duncan, even if you ignore Duncan's offensively prowess. Elite 7' foot dominant bigs are just too rare.

Chicago would have traded Rodman for Duncan in a second had they played at the same time....

Absolutely pathetic statgeek. Per 36? LMAO!!!!

[poop]

tboner, keep trying.

[BigTex342006]

Absolutely pathetic statgeek. Per 36? LMAO!!!!

Don't want to use Per 36?? That's fine. Lets look at the facts then shall we?? What is more important, regular season or playoffs??

(seeing how you think Karl Malone was greater than Duncan - you probably vote for regular season)

Playoff stats:

Rodman - 169 gms 6.4 pts 9.9 rbs 1.2 asts .6 blks
Duncan - 170 gms 23.0 pts 12.4 rbs 3.5 asts 2.6 blks

Rodman - 8 All D Top 5 voting for DPOY - 7
Duncan - 13 All D Top 5 voting for DPOY - 7

Winning DPOY is a nice accolade for Rodman, it doesn't make him the better defender.....unless you would consider Artest better than Duncan?? OR even Camby??

These are facts private pile. What do you have that is not just your 'opinion'??

[LnGrrrR]

Absolutely pathetic statgeek. Per 36? LMAO!!!!

ty troll is ty troll.

[jsandiego]

Absolutely pathetic statgeek. Per 36? LMAO!!!!

lather, rinse, repeat.. your M.O. is getting kinda old

[tbonewalker]

Tim Duncan can't even guard an out of shape Bynum. He fell off as a good defender years ago. He's merely serviceable now on that end. He's still above average on the other end because of his experience.

Rodman was an elite defender from Day 1 to his last game. Duncan could never dream of keeping up such defensive play.

[ElNono]

lol ESPN forums

[midnightpulp]

lol ESPN forums

[tbonewalker]

You guys can't hang with me on ESPN either. I never lose, ladies.

Always one or two steps ahead of you paddie waddies.

[midnightpulp]

You guys can't hang with me on ESPN either. I never lose, ladies.

Always one or two steps ahead of you paddie waddies.

Yeah, we really can't hang with your ty trolling that consists of re ed like making a thread declaring "Blake" is a better player than Tony Parker, only to reveal, after a few replies, that "Blake" is Blake Griffin and not Steve Blake.

How in clever.

[tbonewalker]

Blake Griffin is a better basketball player than Tony Parker any day of the week and twice on Sunday. If you don't agree, you probably don't watch basketball. You are too busy trolling message boards and getting yanked around by Laker trolls.

You are probably the easiest Spur fan of all on these boards.

[LnGrrrR]

Tim Duncan can't even guard an out of shape Bynum. He fell off as a good defender years ago. He's merely serviceable now on that end. He's still above average on the other end because of his experience.

Rodman was an elite defender from Day 1 to his last game. Duncan could never dream of keeping up such defensive play.

ty troll is ty troll.

[LnGrrrR]

Blake Griffin is a better basketball player than Tony Parker any day of the week and twice on Sunday. If you don't agree, you probably don't watch basketball. You are too busy trolling message boards and getting yanked around by Laker trolls.

You are probably the easiest Spur fan of all on these boards.

ty troll is ty troll.

[midnightpulp]

Blake Griffin is a better basketball player than Tony Parker any day of the week and twice on Sunday. If you don't agree, you probably don't watch basketball. You are too busy trolling message boards and getting yanked around by Laker trolls.

You are probably the easiest Spur fan of all on these boards.

I watch a lot of basketball. More than 17 years worth, actually.

lol 70 year old who's been a Lakers fan for 17 years.

[ElNono]

lol stat geeks

[ElNono]

lol Shaolin

[ElNono]

lol Kung Fu Master

[tbonewalker]

So I've just been informed by the resident "Easy Elaine" that I'm more knowledgable about the game than he is despite watching basketball less years total than him.

Seems Easy Elaine has a learning disability. Can't help him.

MidnightPulp, I'm not 70 yrs old either. Chop that in half and you'll be warmer.

I've got this thread dominated with facts and logic. Nobody has offered up a legitimate response without getting shot down.

[midnightpulp]

So I've just been informed by the resident "Easy Elaine" that I'm more knowledgable about the game than he is despite watching basketball less years total than him.

Seems Easy Elaine has a learning disability. Can't help him.

MidnightPulp, I'm not 70 yrs old either. Chop that in half and you'll be warmer.

I've got this thread dominated with facts and logic.

You ain't close to 35. No 35-40 year old would use weak ass smack like "Easy Elaine." That's old man dialect.

But I believe you've been only watching basketball for 17 years despite being much older. Most transplants from bum towns that have no pro sports teams move out here to pursue their pipedreams of fame and fortune and automatically bandwagon the Lakers.

Lemme guess. You moved out here to become a "musician?"

[LnGrrrR]

I've got this thread dominated with facts and logic. Nobody has offered up a legitimate response without getting shot down.

People who claim victory online are usually losers.

Feel free to explain why Defensive Win Shares are a poor stat.

[ElNono]

lol dominated
lol slapped back to the ESPN forums
lol Shaolin

[tbonewalker]

People who claim victory online are usually losers.

Feel free to explain why Defensive Win Shares are a poor stat.

Excuse me for a second... LMAO!!!


Ok, did a Boston Celtic fan just ask somebody to explain something to him?

The equivalent of explaining to a mother Grizzly Bear that I'm going to have to take her cubs from under her nose. Or maybe like explaining to a toddler how to have kids. Waste of life and time.

[tbonewalker]

You ain't close to 35. No 35-40 year old would use weak ass smack like "Easy Elaine." That's old man dialect.

But I believe you've been only watching basketball for 17 years despite being much older. Most transplants from bum towns that have no pro sports teams move out here to pursue their pipedreams of fame and fortune and automatically bandwagon the Lakers.

Lemme guess. You moved out here to become a "musician?"

Moved out where? Are you under the impression I've moved somewhere?

Easy Elaine still nipping at my ankles.