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Not really. I question Kobe's leadership. Hes hot and cold as far as leadership IMO.
Surely you're joking. You think Kobe's leadership got them those last two les?
Not really. I question Kobe's leadership. Hes hot and cold as far as leadership IMO.
I believe the Splitter grade is too low. He got absolutely abused IMO by the refs on some spurious fouls but fronted Bynum as effectively as anyone could - Bynum just showed some real skill in scoring over him and Splitter also made one of the prettiest passes of the year for inside to (of all people) Udoka. He also had a nice block in limited minutes.
Just having a true additional real big in there early on was nice and even though the LAL went on a run they were hitting contested shots and I personally believe Splitter should be in the B- to B range.
Even if this was true, who can argue with the results?
I think Pau Gasol got them the last two les. There's a difference between leader and instructor.
Phil couldn't quell the Shaq/Kobe situation, quit shortly afterward and now cannot control Kobe. Pop would have pulled Kobe's ass out of the game after that first volley of quick shots.
With Phil, Kobe runs how he wants. If Kobe wants to get a lot of points, he doesn't pass, but he still gets minutes. If Kobe wants to win, he passes the ball around. Phil just accepts it and makes comments on it. Pop would act, Phil doesn't.
When has Phil ever yanked his star out of the game? I've seen Pop pull Tony and Manu out, yelling at them in the process and telling them to get on the bench. I've never seen Phil do anything like that.
No one can.
I would like to take the worst coach in the league and put him in charge of the Lakers. His results would probably be about the same as Phil's results.
I would like to put Phil in charge of the worst team in the league to see what improvements he could make. I would bet that his improvements would include bringing in two or three all stars and canning the other guys.
Phil's not so much a coach as an architect.
Last edited by DMC; 12-30-2010 at 12:15 PM.
Its ridiculous how much some people bash other teams' coaches and players accomplishments. You put Vinny Del Negro in charge of the Lakers and no ING way they come anywhere close to how the Lakers do. Phil probably isnt a good coach for a bad team...but Pop probably wouldn't be all that great either. Pop thrives on a team that feeds off a winning culture and doesn't take shortcuts... teams do that all the time and Pop would go crazy.
Sorry, Pop and the Spurs organization build teams. They don't beg borrow and steal players from other teams.
Spolestra's situation in Miami is a good example. Great players can make a coach look great. Look at the situation Don Nelson left for Avery Johnson. The Spurs didn't go out and make blockbuster trades for big name players. No one ever heard of 2 of their big 3 prior to the draft. When has Phil Jackson ever won a championship with players he developed?
When Pop and RC trade the farm to get Howard and Anthony, then we can compare.
Phil had Kobe, Shaq, Karl Malone, Gary Peyton and, i think, Derrick Fisher. They couldn't beat a Detroit team full of decent players.
Vinny could have sat on the bench and watched Shaq dunk, but I don't know if he could have swung that shady deal for Pau.
Wow. Any other coach could have done what Phil Jackson did. Just wow.
Thanks.ing awesome, man! You should really think about doing quick grades for the opposing team more often, you have untapped potential.Maybe I'll start adding these to TimVP's threads once in a while, if I keep getting good responses.
There is a big game with Dallas tonight... hmmmm.
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As for Phil, I've always viewed him more of a psychologist than a coach. He goes to ultra-talented teams full of chemistry problems, and gets them to play together while stroking their... egos... then sits back and watches them win les. Phil is a fantastic coach, but he's also had the liberty of cherry-picking the teams to manage. I mean... Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, Gasol... how many coaches in NBA history do you think ever had a Pippen on their team one time, let alone be the 4th best player they ever coached. Think about that for a minute. So yes, he's a great coach, but it needs to be put into perspective. If Gasol doesn't go to L.A., Phil is still polishing his last LOB in 2003.
Part of me thinks that Phil runs an offense like the triangle simply because it's so convoluted that his stars are too busy wondering where they need to be on the floor next, as opposed to how many points they have.
I don't think any other coach could have done everything Phil did. I think Phil was very intelligent in accepting the jobs with the conditions he stipulated.
Just name some players he's developed. He didn't develop Jordan or Kobe. Name someone he's mentored. Tell me a player who considers Phil to be what the Spurs consider Pop to be.
Do you think Vinny could coach the Heat to the record they have today?
+1thanks.
There is a big game with dallas tonight... Hmmmm.
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as for phil, i've always viewed him more of a psychologist than a coach. He goes to ultra-talented teams full of chemistry problems, and gets them to play together while stroking their... Egos... Then sits back and watches them win les. Phil is a fantastic coach, but he's also had the liberty of cherry-picking the teams to manage. I mean... Jordan, pippen, shaq, kobe, gasol... How many coaches in nba history do you think ever had a pippen on their team one time, let alone be the 4th best player they ever coached. Think about that for a minute. So yes, he's a great coach, but it needs to be put into perspective. If gasol doesn't go to l.a., phil is still polishing his last lob in 2003.
Part of me thinks that phil runs an offense like the triangle simply because it's so convoluted that his stars are too busy wondering where they need to be on the floor next, as opposed to how many points they have.
Jackson also protects himself by not coaching teams that he thinks cannot win relatively soon. When he returned to the Lakers in 2007, they soon after acquired Pau Gasol. That makes you wonder if that deal was in the works, and Phil was given that information prior to signing.
Didn't happen that way.
PJ returned to LA for the start of the 05-06 season. The 05-06 and 06-07 teams were both knocked out in the first round. Gasol was acquired halfway through the third season of Jackson's current stint with the Lakers.
Since he's done so much cherry picking . . . what did the Bulls and Lakers do before he got there?
Seems to me that if you believe this, then you must necessarily dismiss all of what Coach Pop has accomplished with the Spurs.
Shame on you.
PJ is a great coach. But I consider his tenure with the Bulls to be greater than with the Lakers.
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