I don't think too many serious Spurs fans are saying the team is head and shoulders above the rest of the league, but you know what? The teams that are supposedly better have more problems against serious compe ion than we do:
So go ahead, say SA has built its record against sub-par compe ion, but realize that only Dallas and Boston are in the same ballpark against better teams. Boston has played four more road games than SA; Dallas has actually played the same as SA. If you're talking the best teams in the NBA right now those should be the only ones in the conversation.
So what? You guys are the most overrated team in the NBA... At least one of them.
You guys could barely beat us last night and that was with one hand tied behind our backs. (no dirk, no haywood, a 3 of 16 Jason Terry, and still just a 6 pt nail biter?)
Let me get this out of the way:
I don't understand how anyone could get this butthurt over something Charles Barkley said. Half the show is Ernie and Kenny making fun of the Chuck says. If Chuck doesn't say crazy , there is no show.
Now, the Spurs didn't "barely" beat the Mavs. The final score doesn't indicate much. The Spurs were in control the entire game. There was terrible shooting from both teams and some mental errors by the Spurs that kept it close, but the Spurs had this game pretty much from the get go.
Caron Butler scored 30 on 21 shots. If Dirk played, Butler wouldn't have come close to that and you can pretty much scratch Cardinal and Ajinca's contributions too. Terry got locked down on D and Haywood was DNP coaches decision. I don't see how that is an indication of anything really.
The only Mavs player that impressed me was Kidd. That dude is super-human.
lol grey mavfan
lol missing the point
lol typical
Both good points..
So go ahead, say SA has built its record against sub-par compe ion, but realize that only Dallas and Boston are in the same ballpark against better teams. Boston has played four more road games than SA; Dallas has actually played the same as SA. If you're talking the best teams in the NBA right now those should be the only ones in the conversation.
Here's something from Basketball-reference, which uses both Pythagorean expected wins/losses and SRS to rank the best teams in the league.
B-R tells us that the Spurs' expected win-loss would be 24-8, i.e. the Spurs overperfomed by 4.. And that the expected win-loss record would still have the Spurs in second place, merely a game and a half behind the Heat.
Link - here.
In other words, there is no "over-rating" going on here. Just that statistical indicators say that the Spurs' record is slightly better than their performance and even so, their statistical record is among the top 2 in the league.
With expected defensive improvement, better integration of rookies - Splitter and Anderson and more meaningful games as the playoffs approach, I think the Spurs' expectations would only on the up and that means that the Spurs are at worst a Top 4-5 contender and at worst the Best in the League.
Considering this and the very little national media coverage for the team (in comparison to the acres of newsprint and trillions of terra-bytes spent on analysing the Heat), one can only conclude that the Spurs are still under-rated and under-hyped despite reality.
i may be i may be wrong
i may be i may be wrong
i may be i may be wrong
The weird thing is Barkley always used to pick the Spurs until his man Ginooooobili became so injury prone. Ever since then he's been more inclined to go with the other team.
1) the score is indeed indicative of how the game went. Almost the entire 3rd and 4th quarter the point differential was about 7 points, other than the one run you guys made in the 2nd quarter. Either team could have won in the last 8 minutes... That's why marc stein and numerous other sports writers reviewed it as a good game.
2) wait a minute... When Manu has an off night it's o.k but when jet has an off night (which if you watched the game... It's not like he was shooting very tough shots) it was cuz of defense? I don't care if mj is guarding him, Terry doesn't shoot 3 for 16
3) yea ur right you can pretty much take away cardinals contributions if dirk had played... And replace the with about 24 points.
4) sorry, thought haywood was hurt... Apparently not, don't know what Rick was doing... George hill owned ajincia every time he drove against him.
Point is... The game was close the entire 4th quarter and you only locked the game up with a couple minutes remaining, and you know this if you watched it. Your tough games are just now coming up... I want to see y'all beat Miami Boston and Orlando. If you guys do that I'll agree that the spurs arent overrated.
There's no science behind Barkley's comments. The fact that Kenny and EJ just look at him like "wha..da fack....?" should tell you that. Add to that the fact that Charles never goes back and discusses what he said last week. He skirts around it.
Charles engages in barbershop talk, not analyst talk. They have him there as an NBA analyst.
He's still funny as though. "I'm bout to slap the out choo Earnie"
Charles must've had a couple too many before the half time show:
Spurs keep winning and people keep calling them over-rated but they keep winning. So if they are so over-rated why do they keep winning and winning and winning??
Charles is such a tool.
Look at who you are playing, y'all have had the 24th hardest schedule in the NBA. Why is it so hard to understand that people want to see you beat the best before being proclaimed the best?
You haven't beat Boston, orlando, or Miami. You could only beat us by 6 points with the leading MVP candidate in street clothes and Jason Terry having his worst game of the year. Look at it from the rest of the nba's perspective, not a homer's perspective.
Barkley is right on the Money!!
The spurts are the most Overrated "best record" in the NBA!
I don't care what people think. The spurs have won most of their games so far and as a spurs fan I'm happy about it. It's way better than seeing them lose. The team looks good and if they can avoid injuries they will only get better.
It was a close game. I wouldn't call it a "good" game necessarily. The Spurs were in control for the majority of minutes. Props to the Mavs for keeping it interesting without their go to guy, but the Spurs did as much to shoot themselves in the foot as the Mavs did to stop them. Inopportune turnovers and horrendous shooting helped keep the game close. If it wasn't for Manu and Neal hitting those big threes and Duncan making some shot in the 3rd, the Mavs could have easily pulled a win.
The Spurs did a good job on perimeter D and Terry didn't get as many open looks as he usually does. So, I disagree on that one. Manu can have an off night shooting because he contributes in so many other ways. Although, he did make a few big shots. If Terry has an off night shooting, he is pretty much useless.
And most of those would've come at Butler's expense.
Box score said DNP . . . Yeah, I don't understand Carlisle at all. He seems bent on under utilizing his talent pool.
The Spurs had the lead from the 2nd quarter on and they were pretty much trading baskets in the 4th. The only time the Spurs weren't in control of the game was early in the 1st quarter. The rest of the game was spent making up for mistakes and staving off mini Mavs runs.
I agree. I want to see the Spurs beat those teams as well and I'll do you one better . . . unless the Spurs make it to the WCF or beyond, they are overrated.
Spurs play down to their compe ion too much, they relaxed when there was no dirk, so its not like you saw what the spurs are really capable of, pop admited as much.
This isn't important enough to keep up a point by point debate, but I'll say this. Caron wouldn't have scored 30 if dirk had played, but if dirk had played think about how much better Terry (and really almost everyone on offense) would have done? You either double dirk like everyone else and he gets around his average while everyone else like Terry gets good shots or you play dirk
straight up and let him score 30+ while containing everyone else. That's the choice you have when you play the mavs. Dirk is everything to the mavericks.
And yes it was a close game, we lost by 6 points. There is really no argument that can be used to persuade anyone that the mavericks wouldn't have overcome a 6 point defect if their MVP candidate hadnt of been in street clothes. The mavericks revolve around dirk.
Exhibit A: first round of the 09-10 playoffs.
Other than the fact that they couldn't do it? You might have a point.
You know what I meant, I'm not typing on a computer so I'll probably mess up numerous times. You can't persuade anyone that the mavs still would have lost by 6 points or more. We beat you guys fairly decisively last time we played with dirk. You can't persuade anyone that the spurs are better than the mavs. even Miami heat fans are coming to this board to back up charlses statement last night. If Orlando blew you guys out, it's a safe bet to say Miami will do the same. You have 0 interior defense, whats the last time a team won a ring with that kind of defense in the paint? Your center is 6-6, you really think your going to beat Orlando or Boston in a 7 game series with Blair anchoring the paint?
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Man, that loss must be tasting really freaking awful to you right now. Is it like swallowing your own vomit? Do all the excuses make it even harder to accept? Are you kicking the dog today?
Just thinking about it is making me have a better day. Happy New Year.
There are maybe one, or two legit Heat fans on this board and the dude you are talking about isn't one of them. If you are going to rely on the testimony of trolls while becoming a troll yourself, you have already lost my friend.
Tim Duncan anchors the post D, not Blair, and if you will remember, McDyess did a pretty solid job of defending Dirk in the playoffs last season. That is awfully big talk from a fan of a team whose only post defender is Chandler and no one else. You are starting to expose yourself as a novice fan with very little knowledge of the game.
btw the Spurs have already beat Orlando this season.
If my memory serves me, you guys have lost in the playoffs to a 1,2,3,4,6,7, and 8 seed. You only lack one to hit for the cycle. That's gotta be some kind of record. You could write a book on reasons the Mavs don't win in the playoffs, and you want to come here and talk about why you think the Spurs can't win?
Well... what else do you have to do?
Seriously, you feel as bad as Cuban looked last night, don't you? Please say yes. That makes it so much better for me.
LOL @ the butt hurt troll
Umm...not really...Dallas closed it out very well at the end, but the Spurs were actually ahead with less than 5 minutes left in the game (88-86). Hardly the start-to-finish decisive win you're alluding to.
Last night was the Spurs game to lose...they had the lead from the end of the first quarter through the end of the game. A few mental errors and some sloppy play allowed Dallas to close to within 6 a couple times, but the Spurs were never really in danger of losing last night.
Though they're a far cry from the defensive powerhouse we're accustomed to seeing, the Spurs have made great improvements in their defensive play since Pop called them out after the Orlando game, holding opponents to well below what they were allowing up to that point (98.7 ppg).
So all-in-all, I agree that Dallas fared well without Dirk, and I expected as much since they're a good, deep team with some good players who can go off on any given night, but (1) they didn't dominate the previous game, and (2) the Spurs are showing signs of defensive improvement without sacrificing the early season wins. It's a nice place to be right now.
One more point: Our current center is 6'6" but we do have this other 6'11" Brazillian fella who was the top Euro player last year, and who's currently being folded into the system. Expect to see a lot more of him as the season wears on.
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