Barkley calls Spurs "the most overrated team in the NBA".

[GSH]

Umm...not really...Dallas closed it out very well at the end, but the Spurs were actually ahead with less than 5 minutes left in the game (88-86). Hardly the start-to-finish decisive win you're alluding to.

Yeah, selective memory is a , huh? That's why I'm sure so many Mavs trolls are really miserable today. In their mind they blew us out of the first game, and just got screwed out of another blowout last night.

I really enjoyed the look on Cuban's face last night. And I really do picture each one of these trolls with that same look on their faces. I find it makes their comments downright enjoyable.

[dbreiden83080]

Look at who you are playing, y'all have had the 24th hardest schedule in the NBA. Why is it so hard to understand that people want to see you beat the best before being proclaimed the best?

You haven't beat Boston, orlando, or Miami. You could only beat us by 6 points with the leading MVP candidate in street clothes and Jason Terry having his worst game of the year. Look at it from the rest of the nba's perspective, not a homer's perspective.

Wait so now Miami is good? 2 months ago they sucked and were a train wreck.. Now we have to beat them to prove ourselves. We just beat the Lakers and are beating everyone in front of us -bird.. A team that has won 28 of their first 32 is a tremendous team.. Don't be a re and suggest otherwise..

[I Heart Ginobili]

Look at who you are playing, y'all have had the 24th hardest schedule in the NBA. Why is it so hard to understand that people want to see you beat the best before being proclaimed the best?

You haven't beat Boston, orlando, or Miami. You could only beat us by 6 points with the leading MVP candidate in street clothes and Jason Terry having his worst game of the year. Look at it from the rest of the nba's perspective, not a homer's perspective.

We did beat orlando... Maybe not the new orlando, which was on the tail end of a 4 game in 5 day stretch, which is understandable. But we did beat them pretty handily a month ago.

Also we have the 16th hardest schedule. so its pretty average.

and finally we are 14-3 against over 500 teams, which just happens to be the best rate in the league, with the mavs in close second at 15-4.

sooooooo your point is????

[rr2418]

Not sure about most over-rated but they are over-rated....they aren't as good as their record for sure.

God bless you and your family though

Come June when the Spurs are winning their 5th NBA Championship, will it really matter if they are over-rated?

[timtonymanurich]

THIS comment of NONSENSE coming from a man who has NEVER won a le....
But we all should listen because Barkley is the NBA's prophet.

[mikeschy55]

There are maybe one, or two legit Heat fans on this board and the dude you are talking about isn't one of them. If you are going to rely on the testimony of trolls while becoming a troll yourself, you have already lost my friend.
Tim Duncan anchors the post D, not Blair, and if you will remember, McDyess did a pretty solid job of defending Dirk in the playoffs last season. That is awfully big talk from a fan of a team whose only post defender is Chandler and
no one else. You are starting to expose yourself as a novice fan with very little knowledge of the game.

btw the Spurs have already beat Orlando this season.

Sorry we have Chandler haywood ajincia and mahimi manning the paint, along with dirk and Marion. Dirks an underrated defender and his size in itself is enough to alter shots.... Anyway, we have one of the best defenses in the league, duncan is old and doesn't do nearly as good of a job of dominating the paint defensively as Chandler does. You have no room to talk with your interior d this season... So honestly I don't what your talking about, only
Chandler?

O, and you beat Orlando before thier big trade... Congrats. They blew you out
shortly after they played us. Probably because your interior d blows and howard dominated you.

O and by the way I'm not new to this game. I was a walk on at purdue university for 2 years and have been an NBA junkie for as long as I can remember. Probably know a bit more bout the game than you do to be honest

[easjer]

O, and you beat Orlando before thier big trade... Congrats. They blew you out
shortly after they played us. Probably because your interior d blows and howard dominated you.

O and by the way I'm not new to this game. I was a walk on at purdue university for 2 years and have been an NBA junkie for as long as I can remember. Probably know a bit more bout the game than you do to be honest

You don't talk like you know much about it.

You wanted the Spurs to beat Orlando? They did. Then you backtrack - it wasn't after the trade. No - that's how the game works.

If all you are going to do is make excuses, then the Spurs have a pretty good one for that loss; it was the second night of a back to back and the fourth game in five nights. So it must not really count, since that isn't the norm (or so your arguments in favor of the Mavs seem to be).

You keep yapping about how the Mavs only lost by 6, but not mentioning that the Spurs allowed them to score a 3 in the closing seconds after the game had been conceded and they were standing around waiting for the final seconds to drain away. So your argument is a bit specious. The game was conceded with the Spurs up by 9.

There was only 1 point in the game after the opening back and forth that was a legitimate concern for the Spurs or that one could argue that the Spurs were not in control, which is during the third when the lead was cut to 1. The Spurs responded to that by going on a run, and for the remainder of the third and all of the fourth, they lead by at least two possessions. The Mavs made it interesting to watch, instead of a blowout, which is what I expected from the Mavs playing a division rival at home. Good on them for doing it, and an eye roll to the Spurs for the mental errors and lackadaisical effort that prevented it from being a blowout.

It's hard to call a team overrated when the team has the best record in the league, sustained over several weeks, and also has the best record in the league against +.500 teams. There are other things that might be said - the Spurs aren't le contenders despite their record, that their record (while top of the league) isn't indicative of their post-season ability. But to continue arguing that they are somehow overrated just makes you look silly.

We get it; you are a Mavs fan. Huzzah. You don't like your division rivals. Shocking. But at least be up front about your prejudices instead of pretending you are discussing basketball. You aren't. You are making excuses.

[mikeschy55]

[QUOTE=easjer;4863848]You don't talk like you know much about it.

You wanted the Spurs to beat Orlando? They did. Then you backtrack - it wasn't after the trade. No - that's how the game works.

If all you are going to do is make excuses, then the Spurs have a pretty good one for that loss; it was the second night of a back to back and the fourth game in five nights. So it must not really count, since that isn't the norm (or so your arguments in favor of the Mavs seem to be).

You keep yapping about how the Mavs only lost by 6, but not mentioning that the Spurs allowed them to score a 3 in the closing seconds after the game had been conceded and they were standing around waiting for the final seconds to drain away. So your argument is a bit specious. The game was conceded with the Spurs up by 9.

There was only 1 point in the game after the opening back and forth that was a legitimate concern for the Spurs or that one could argue that the Spurs were not in control, which is during the third when the lead was cut to 1. The Spurs responded to that by going on a run, and for the remainder of the third and all of the fourth, they lead by at least two possessions. The Mavs made it interesting to watch, instead of a blowout, which is what I expected from the Mavs playing a division rival at home. Good on them for doing it, and an eye
roll to the Spurs for the mental errors and lackadaisical effort that prevented it from being a blowout.

It's hard to call a team overrated when the team has the best record in the
league, sustained over several weeks, and also has the best record in the league against +.500 teams. There are other things that might be said - the Spurs aren't le contenders despite their record, that their record (while top of the league) isn't indicative of their post-season ability. But to continue arguing that they are somehow overrated just makes you look silly.


You guys didn't close the game out until 2 minutes were left in the 4th quarter. It want supposed to be interesting, everyone knows the mavs cant compete without dirk.... Just like ock can't without Durant or Orlando without Howard. It was supposed to be somewhat of a breeze, yet it was CLOSE... Last night didnt look great for you.

Also you broaden the argument when you say best record over .500.... There Are a lot of pretty good teams over .500, there about 3 maybe 4 elite teams though. You haven't beat any of them in a legit manner.... This is what the mavs are accused of every season and only until last season did it sink in. You don't have the interior d to compete against the big boys.

[mikeschy55]

[QUOTE=mikeschy55;4864043]

You don't talk like you know much about it.

You wanted the Spurs to beat Orlando? They did. Then you backtrack - it wasn't after the trade. No - that's how the game works.

If all you are going to do is make excuses, then the Spurs have a pretty good one for that loss; it was the second night of a back to back and the fourth game in five nights. So it must not really count, since that isn't the norm (or so your arguments in favor of the Mavs seem to be).

You keep yapping about how the Mavs only lost by 6, but not mentioning that the Spurs allowed them to score a 3 in the closing seconds after the game had been conceded and they were standing around waiting for the final seconds to drain away. So your argument is a bit specious. The game was conceded wi the Spurs up by 9.

There was only 1 point in the game after the opening back and forth that was a legitimate concern for the Spurs or that one could argue that the Spurs were not in control, which is during the third when the lead was cut to 1. The Spurs responded to that by going on a run, and for the remainder of the third and all of the fourth, they lead by at least two possessions. The Mavs made it interesting to watch, instead of a blowout, which is what I expected from the Mavs playing a division rival at home. Good on them for doing it, and an eye
roll to the Spurs for the mental errors and lackadaisical effort that prevented from being a blowout.

It's hard to call a team overrated when the team has the best record in the
league, sustained over several weeks, and also has the best record in the league against +.500 teams. There are other things that might be said - the
Spurs aren't le contenders despite their record, that their record (while top of the league) isn't indicative of their post-season ability. But to continue arguing that they are somehow overrated just makes you look silly.

You guys didn't close the game out until 2 minutes were left in the 4th quarter. It want supposed to be interesting, everyone knows the mavs cant
compete without dirk.... Just like ock can't without Durant or Orlando without
Howard. It was supposed to be somewhat of a breeze, yet it was CLOSE... Last night didnt look great for you

Also you broaden the argument when you say best record over .500.... There Are a lot of pretty good teams over .500, there about 3 maybe 4 elite teams though. You haven't beat any of them in a legit manner.... This is what the mavs are accused of every season and only until last season did it sink in. You
don't have the interior d to compete against the big boys.

Lastly, your making yourself look like a newb (or a homer grasping for a straw) by blaming your team for a lacidasical effort against a division rival. So predictable.... Those that watched TNT last night knows there was no lack of effort, duncan turned it on regardless of dirks presence

[DMC]

You guys didn't close the game out until 2 minutes were left in the 4th quarter. It want supposed to be interesting, everyone knows the mavs cant compete without dirk.... Just like ock can't without Durant or Orlando without Howard. It was supposed to be somewhat of a breeze, yet it was CLOSE... Last night didnt look great for you.

Also you broaden the argument when you say best record over .500.... There Are a lot of pretty good teams over .500, there about 3 maybe 4 elite teams though. You haven't beat any of them in a legit manner.... This is what the mavs are accused of every season and only until last season did it sink in. You don't have the interior d to compete against the big boys.

Every win is in a legit manner. Match ups in real life aren't like those in a video game where you look at the points beside the team's name and pick the highest one, and your friend tries to get as close as possible. In real life, teams come with who they have. There's no column for non full strength wins.

So, your post reeks of being a neophyte basketball watcher, and being butthurt at the same time.

If the Lakers had our record, winning the same way we have against the same teams with the same injuries, no one but butt hurt opponents would be calling their wins illegitimate.

You also don't know how to use quote tags to separate posts.

[Cessation]

Wow this is one butthurt emo mavfan. Full of excuses, and trying way too hard to convince himself mavs are better, lol.

[mikeschy55]

Every win is in a legit manner. Match ups in real life aren't like those in a video game where you look at the points beside the team's name and pick the highest one, and your friend tries to get as close as possible. In real life, teams come with who they have. There's no column for non full strength wins.

So, your post reeks of being a neophyte basketball watcher, and being butthurt at the same time.


If the Lakers had our record, winning the same way we have against the same teams with the same injuries, no one but butt hurt opponents would be calling their wins illegitimate.

You also don't know how to use quote tags to separate posts.

Ok so a win over Dallas without dirk is just as legit as a win over Dallas with dirk? Statistically speaking your right (makes your hollow record that much better) but there's a reason your coach left the game saying "we don't make much out of this win." There is a reason why sports writers are writing collumns right now ling "Spurs still looking for test." your argument is that a
win is a win no matter what, injuries are a part of the game, and you cant reinvent what would happen with dirk. All that's true, but it doesn't change the most basic facts and the most common perception.... Which is, dirk, more than likely, overcomes a 6 point defect. Yes there are too many variables and hypotheticals to reinvent the game... But common sense would indicate that the leading MVP candidate could push dallas over the top with a game that close. You guys would be saying the same thing about Duncan and/or Manu if they were out, rightfully so... And you know it.

And yea, if the lakers were doing the same thing as you were doing there wouldn't be as many detractors, but the lakers aren't starting a 6-6 center and a 34 year old Duncan to patrol the paint on defense. They have the front court depth and interior d to compete against the big boys. You don't.

Every single one of you sounds like a homer desperately trying to convince themselves that the spurs are the best team in the NBA, and in doing so writing off perfectly good points by a "butt hurt" mavs fan.

For example... In the history of the NBA, has a team EVER one a ring by starting a 6-6 center? No, and it's not likely to happen this year either.

[Mel_13]

Every single one of you sounds like a homer desperately trying to convince themselves that the spurs are the best team in the NBA, and in doing so writing off perfectly good points by a "butt hurt" mavs fan.

Of course, you're perfectly objective.

For example... In the history of the NBA, has a team EVER one a ring by starting a 6-6 center? No, and it's not likely to happen this year either.

The 1978 Bullets and Wes Unseld say hi.

Now why don't you tell us which NBA champion featured a 7' SG as their franchise player or which NBA champion made frequent use of a zone to hide their defensive deficiencies.

[Spursfanfromafar]

And yea, if the lakers were doing the same thing as you were doing there wouldn't be as many detractors, but the lakers aren't starting a 6-6 center and a 34 year old Duncan to patrol the paint on defense. They have the front court depth and interior d to compete against the big boys. You don't.

Oh..is that why the 6'6 center looked the best frontcourt player in the game against the Lakers?

Average Spur fan is cautious about the start while being euphoric about the fact that his team is contending for a ring again. Average Mav fan has had too many orgasms despite following a squad that is second best to the Spurs so far.

Who is more objective?

[mikeschy55]

Of course, you're perfectly objective.





The 1978 Bullets and Wes Unseld say hi.

Now why don't you tell us which NBA champion featured a 7' SG as their franchise player or which NBA champion made frequent use of a zone to hide their defensive deficiencies.

So we can't win a ring with a 7 footer who can spread the floor and shoot lights out as our power forward? I think you will find most gms around the league to be in disagreement with you.

What good championship teams have used the zone? Try the lakers... The pistons in 03... A lot of teams use zone to throw their opponents off. In case you didn't notice, we used the zone once last night for an extended period of time. That was in the fourth quarter.

Lol... You actually did the research?? Great it happened 30 some years ago, but Blair is no Wes unseld is he?

[mikeschy55]

Oh..is that why the 6'6 center looked the best frontcourt player in the game against the Lakers?

Average Spur fan is cautious about the start while being euphoric about the fact that his team is contending for a ring again. Average Mav fan has had too many orgasms despite following a squad that is second best to the Spurs so far.

Who is more objective?

This with Andrew Bynum playing a whopping 20 minutes... Half the time while Blair was on the bench. Wow, Blair pushed around that wussy pau gasol and Lamar odom, something a lot of people have been doing recently. What about the Dallas game? He played 12 minutes and scored 4 points and grabbed one
board. What happened? Tyson Chandler?

Your not going to win in the playoffs with a 6-6 center. The mavericks didn't win a ring this decade mostly due to a lack of interior d (and corrupted zebras) you guys have the same problem. We could beat you a million times this season and you'd still think the spurs were better.

You had two tests this year. Being healthy and not being the timberwolves means a great deal, maybe you guys underestimate it. You lost to Dallas at full strength and Orlando. You have not beaten the best, therefore, you cannot legitimately say you are the best. I think most the league feels the same way

[Spursfanfromafar]

This with Andrew Bynum playing a whopping 20 minutes... Half the time while Blair was on the bench. Wow, Blair pushed around that wussy pau gasol and Lamar odom, something a lot of people have been doing recently. What about the Dallas game? He played 12 minutes and scored 4 points and grabbed one
board. What happened? Tyson Chandler?

Your not going to win in the playoffs with a 6-6 center. The mavericks didn't win a ring this decade mostly due to a lack of interior d (and corrupted zebras) you guys have the same problem. We could beat you a million times this season and you'd still think the spurs were better.

You had two tests this year. Being healthy and not being the timberwolves means a great deal, maybe you guys underestimate it. You lost to Dallas at full strength and Orlando. You have not beaten the best, therefore, you cannot legitimately say you are the best. I think most the league feels the same way

Ha ha.. says the fool who supports a team which lost to the Craptors of all teams, because Dirk Nowitzki didn't play a game. It is plain clear that the Mavs are over-reliant on Dirk while the rest just plug away in mediocrity.

The Spurs on the other hand, handled a no show by Tim Duncan (just 2 points) by showing a greater arsenal than the 2010 Champions.

Besides if the Spurs beat the Mavs, 4-2 last year in a season where their squad featured useless scrap such as Keith Bogans and Roger Mason; I bet they will thump the Mavs in a season where they have better sharpshooters, have a new and upcoming 7 footer in Splitter and have a solid bench than never before.

[elec99]

Chandler is not the solution for mavs, if you want to follow the blueprint for championship teams, it calls for a center who can score by backing people down. Tyson still gets his on alley-oops, being open, but not backing other 7 footers down.
Timmy can still do that, so far that is.
If youre focusing on blair then maybe pop's jedi mind tricks have worked on you. Hes a nice distraction since he can produce on certain games.
Dont get me wrong, i'd love to have chandler as a defensive presence, but offensively he is not the answer. just look at his point total against against midget blair and an aging timmy, and that should say enough.

[greyforest]

This with Andrew Bynum playing a whopping 20 minutes... Half the time while Blair was on the bench. Wow, Blair pushed around that wussy pau gasol and Lamar odom, something a lot of people have been doing recently. What about the Dallas game? He played 12 minutes and scored 4 points and grabbed one
board. What happened? Tyson Chandler?

Your not going to win in the playoffs with a 6-6 center. The mavericks didn't win a ring this decade mostly due to a lack of interior d (and corrupted zebras) you guys have the same problem. We could beat you a million times this season and you'd still think the spurs were better.

You had two tests this year. Being healthy and not being the timberwolves means a great deal, maybe you guys underestimate it. You lost to Dallas at full strength and Orlando. You have not beaten the best, therefore, you cannot legitimately say you are the best. I think most the league feels the same way

the four teams that have beaten the spurs must be The Best

[elec99]

And I do love when barkely's opinions do not favor the spurs, or the opinions of any other analyst for that matter. We seem to do well when the world is against us. When their opinions do start to go in our favor is when they start coming up short.

[TVI]

...there's a reason your coach left the game saying "we don't make much out of this win."

You realize that Pop says that after every game, don't you? Pop never makes a big deal out of any regular season win, or even a playoff win, unless it's number 16. He's the first one to say "we haven't done anything yet..."

[Crickets]

Charles Barkley is the Man he speaks the TRUTH!

[ohmwrecker]

Sorry we have Chandler haywood ajincia and mahimi manning the paint, along with dirk and Marion. Dirks an underrated defender and his size in itself is enough to alter shots.... Anyway, we have one of the best defenses in the league, duncan is old and doesn't do nearly as good of a job of dominating the paint defensively as Chandler does. You have no room to talk with your interior d this season... So honestly I don't what your talking about, only Chandler?

Haywood sucks (he was pretty useless vs the Spurs in last season's playoffs, not to mention that he appears to be in Carlisle's doghouse). Ajincia? Please. Mahinmi? We know all about Yawn. I would be shocked if he gets 1 minute of PT in the playoffs. Marion is still a pretty decent post player, but his best days are long gone and Dirk is an adequate defender at best. Chandler is far and away your best post defender and it's not even close.

O, and you beat Orlando before thier big trade... Congrats. They blew you out shortly after they played us. Probably because your interior d blows and howard dominated you.

Somewhat valid, but the Spurs beat the Magic with Howard who is by far their best player and he didn't exactly dominate the game. The "new look" Magic beat the Spurs on 2nd of a B2B in a 4 in 5 stretch. Pop also threw in the towel fairly early in that game so, I wouldn't read too much into it.

O and by the way I'm not new to this game. I was a walk on at purdue university for 2 years and have been an NBA junkie for as long as I can remember. Probably know a bit more bout the game than you do to be honest

I doubt that. I'm not going to brag on the internet about my background, but I'm not impressed by yours or anything that you have said here, Bubba. You have yet to prove that you have any deep knowledge of the game.

[ChumpDumper]

Charles Barkley is the Man he speaks the TRUTH!

He probably lost more money than you did betting against the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Dirks an underrated defender....Probably know a bit more bout the game than you do to be honest