Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastr

[Nbadan]

When you do a real investigation you eliminate possible suspects based on the preponderance of available evidence, you don't rule someone out just because there is no evidence at the time....moreover, you don't rule out a suspect who investigated themselves....

[ChumpDumper]

When you do a real investigation you eliminate possible suspects based on the preponderance of available evidence, you don't rule someone out just because there is no evidence at the time....moreover, you don't rule out a suspect who investigated themselves....

You start out with a theory of the crime.

What is your theory of the crime, dan?

[MannyIsGod]

When you do a real investigation you eliminate possible suspects based on the preponderance of available evidence, you don't rule someone out just because there is no evidence at the time....moreover, you don't rule out a suspect who investigated themselves....

What the ? Thats some ing stupid right there.

[Blake]

How do we know the FBI wasn't involved? ...it's these kinds of assumptions, without proof, that make your argument less credible

When you do a real investigation you eliminate possible suspects based on the preponderance of available evidence, you don't rule someone out just because there is no evidence at the time....moreover, you don't rule out a suspect who investigated themselves....

Why is the FBI a suspect?

[Nbadan]

What the ? Thats some ing stupid right there.

I should have qualified that with the history of the FBI and intelligence agencies in the U.S. to do clandestine activities in the U.S....

[Nbadan]

Why is the FBI a suspect?

Why aren't they? Did they or did they not lose track of Muhammad Atta when he came back from Germany?

[Blake]

Why aren't they? Did they or did they not lose track of Muhammad Atta when he came back from Germany?

what was the motive? what did the FBI gain out of the 9/11 attacks?

[Nbadan]

what was the motive? what did the FBI gain out of the 9/11 attacks?

I don't know if they gained anything from 9/11, nor am I implying that the FBI was involved in a conspiracy...but they sure didn't lose anything from 9/11 even though they clearly failed in their responsibility to protect Americans domestically.....

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know if they gained anything from 9/11, nor am I implying that the FBI was involved in a conspiracy...but they sure didn't lose anything from 9/11 even though they clearly failed in their responsibility to protect Americans domestically.....

You are absolutely implying the FBI was involved in a conspiracy.

Jesus ing Christ, just own what you say for once.

You don't think the official theory is true, but after nine years you don't believe any other theory either. Tell me why anyone should give a about a person who won't commit to any belief whatsoever when it comes to 9/11?

[Blake]

I don't know if they gained anything from 9/11, nor am I implying that the FBI was involved in a conspiracy...but they sure didn't lose anything from 9/11 even though they clearly failed in their responsibility to protect Americans domestically.....

failure of law enforcement to perform up to a certain level at work does not mean they are criminal suspects.

Just curious, are you suspecting the entire FBI, a large number of them, a few of them or just one of them?

[CuckingFunt]

Why is the FBI a suspect?

Because they're not not a suspect.

Obviously.

[Spurminator]

[Wild Cobra]

What the ? Thats some ing stupid right there.

He doesn't believe in innocent until proven guilty. He'd make a good police officer maybe?

[Nbadan]

failure of law enforcement to perform up to a certain level at work does not mean they are criminal suspects.

Just curious, are you suspecting the entire FBI, a large number of them, a few of them or just one of them?

...never said they were criminal suspects...your trying to tie this altogether with Mouse's theories...I'm not....I'm saying that we don't know the full extent of what the government or any specific agency knew because everything that needs to be investigated in being protected as National Security....even the 9/11 Commissioners who were hand picked by the Bush Administration only had limited access to millions of these do ents and were limited to investigating specific questions when they were giving access...

Think about what we would likely find out if Julian Assage and Wikileaks had these do ents....history will eventually tell the truth...it always does...it maybe 50-60 or more years when most of the Neocons and Dubya are long gone till we know the extent of what the government knew before September 11th....

[ChumpDumper]

...never said they were criminal suspects...your trying to tie this altogether with Mouse's theories...I'm not....I'm saying that we don't know the full extent of what the government or any specific agency knew because everything that needs to be investigated in being protected as National Security....even the 9/11 Commissioners who were hand picked by the Bush Administration only had limited access to millions of these do ents and were limited to investigating specific questions when they were giving access...

Think about what we would likely find out if Julian Assage and Wikileaks had these do ents....history will eventually tell the truth...it always does...it maybe 50-60 or more years when most of the Neocons and Dubya are long gone till we know the extent of what the government knew before September 11th....

So, what do you think the do ents would reveal?

You obviously think the government is covering up their involvement in 9/11. Tell us what you think they did.

[Blake]

...never said they were criminal suspects...

uhh

moreover, you don't rule out a suspect who investigated themselves....

in this case, what other kind of suspect would there be other than criminal?

[TeyshaBlue]

uhh



in this case, what other kind of suspect would there be other than criminal?

The super secret suspect!
It's kinda like being on super secret double probation.

[mouse]

The FBI investigation wasn't official?



It's these kinds of bald-faced lies that make you a laughing stock, dan.

You act is though the FBI is sin free. I am amazed how far you go to defend this government its almost creepy at times.

More Wrongdoing Found at FBI Crime Labs

http://www.truthinjustice.org/FBI-crime-lab.htm

FBI wrongdoing
http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-03-1...ice-department

Report Govt. Corruption / FBI Wrongdoing

http://askadelphia.citypaper.net/que...fbi-wrongdoing

evidence that the FBI engaged in a plot to

http://www.judibari.org/brief-pr.html


many other FBI ups use Google.

[ChumpDumper]

You act is though the FBI is sin free.

I act as though the FBI investigation was an official one.

I am amazed how far you go to defend this government its almost creepy at times.

I am amazed at how much you lie without shame; it is creepy all the time.

[Wild Cobra]

[Wild Cobra]

As a former "conspiracy theorist", & pro-scientific thinker, I can't help but notice the major errors in the theories on 9/11. When it comes to the inside job theories, I just can't take it as truth any longer. In which I feel the only credible argument the conspiracy theorists held was of a mere misunderstanding - the finding of Thermate chemical signatures in the Twin Towers.

Steven Jones has done plenty of speeches about this in which he points out the chemical elements found within the debris. These elements pointed out are as such: iron, sulfur, aluminum, potassium, manganese, fluorine, & anium.

Yes, most of these elements can be found in thermate. Jones had this one right. So what's the problem here? Well, like any proper scientist who would conduct studies on these elements, they'd first try & find any natural sources in which these elements could come from. And guess what? They all check out for other natural sources:

Sulfur: The third most common ingredient in the WTC construction was gypsum-based drywall, which is 18.62% sulfur.
Iron: Used in paint & electronic devices.
Potassium: Used in concrete.
Manganese: Used in the structural steel, paint, batteries, & ceramics.
Fluorine: Used in Freon. 200,000 pounds of Freon cooled the WTC complex. This was the largest air-conditioning system in the country.
anium: Used in paper & paint & made up 2% of each of the 767's. WTC7 was also clad in polished steel & anium.

I find the idea of Jones claiming these elements were uncommon & only found within thermate quite disturbing, & at the least illogical.

So what would any professional scientist do next? Well, they would check if these elements were presently in their correct, signature quan ies.

According to Steven Jones' own estimates, "about 1,000 pounds of explosives would be sufficient [per tower]". For both towers & WTC7, this would equal about 3,000 pounds of thermate. Thermate is 2% sulfur, in which calculates to about 60 pounds of sulfur. Approximately 1 million tons (2 billion pounds) of dust blanketed lower Manhattan.

So, based on Professor Jones' estimates, a thermate reaction would cause the WTC dust to be approximately 0.000003% sulfur. Correct? (don't worry, it's text. You can get a calculator if needed)

Yet, this would then be highly unlikely for such a low percentage to be detectable, especially when compared to USGS dust samples in which showed as much as 5.4% sulfur!

And finally, what is the last important thing a scientist would need to do in order to confirm the presence of a chemical device? Well, they would need to ensure that all of the elements of thermate are present. So, are all elements present?

I would say no! For the two main byproducts of thermate are aluminum oxide (41%) & barium nitrate (29%). Both are especially unique to thermate & would have no reason whatsoever to be found within the WTC - unless, that is, thermate was in the twin towers.

However, neither the USGS nor Steven Jones himself report finding any traces of either of these elements - the two main ingredients of thermate! Yes, Jones does point out the presence of aluminum, but there's a huge difference between aluminum & aluminum oxide (which has 3 oxygen atoms). Not to mention aluminum was common through its use in the WTC's facade, the 767's, & vehicles.

The presence of all elements pointed out through natural sources within the WTC complexes, & the very lack of aluminum oxide & barium nitrate just completely destroys the theory that thermate was in the WTC!

[Nbadan]

Because they're not not a suspect.

Obviously.

your usually not this dense...of course they're suspects, they benefited monetarily and with greater authority after the attacks instead of being investigated why they failed to protect America so miserably...that alone makes them a suspect...

[ChumpDumper]

your usually not this dense...of course they're suspects, they benefited monetarily and with greater authority after the attacks instead of being investigated why they failed to protect America so miserably...that alone makes them a suspect...

you think the FBI would pull off 9/11 to get a budget increase?

I'm sure it makes sense to you....

[Nbadan]

you think the FBI would pull off 9/11 to get a budget increase?

I'm sure it makes sense to you....

They sure as didn't get a budget cut and their house cleaned...that's what should have happened...

[Nbadan]

...and I didn't say that 'they pulled off 9/11'...nice straw man...I said I would not believe an investigation from an agency that failed in its job to protect us...especially when there are many witnesses who are willing to admit that they never talked to the FBI...it was a CYA cover-up just like the 911 commission report..