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    I'll add my opinion to CBFs thread. The reason this team mystifies so many people is that the Spurs are still getting 50 ppg from their 3 core players. Their new players, Neal, Splitter and Anderson have made their contributions but only Neal has played significant minutes. Why is this year's team so much better?

    I would submit that it is because of the little things like FT improvement, 3-PT shooting accuracy, turnover differential and their 3rd and 4th quarter execution.

    People talk about the high-octane offense the Spurs have this season, but the Spurs are only taking 1 more shot/game (82.18) than last season (81.21). They are only making 0.32 more FG/game.

    2009-10 FGM 38.41 FGA 81.21
    2010-11 FGM 38.73 FGA 82.18

    So why are the Spurs averaging 105.6 ppg versus last season's 101.4?
    The answer is:
    1. FTs - The Spurs near the top 10 in FT accuracy? Really? The Spurs are answering the age-old question: How good could the Spurs be if they would just make their FTs? Last season, the Spurs shot .740 from the charity stripe averaging 17.78 makes/game. So far in 2010-11, San Antonio is shooting .773, 19.24 FTM/game. That's an additional 1 1/2 ppg this season.

    2. 3-Pt Accuracy - At this writing, the Spurs are averaging .400 from the arc. That is .042 better than last season (.358). That equates to 2 more 3s made/game. That adds 2 points/game to the old scoring average.

    3. Creating turnovers and TO +/- - When was the last time we have seen the Spurs lead the league in TO differential? The Spurs are averaging 8.46 steals/game...almost 2 more steals/game than 2009-10 and they rank 1st in TO +/- at +1.82. Those steals are often resulting in fouls and easier scoring chances.

    4. 2nd half efficiency - the Spurs are winning close games. We all see that. Games like PHX, Houston, Charlotte, Minnesota a couple of times, Denver, Orlando...and who can forget the win against Chicago and the 2nd half turn-around in that one? Part of that difference, I would contend, is defensive execution. The Spurs seem to be trapping more (and better) than last year, in order to make up for their size limitations. RJ is staying with his assigment much, much better. Sometimes, Richard looks like he is employing some of Bruce Bowens' techniques in playing over the screen while keeping a hand in contact with his opponent. George has shown similar defensive acuity. The defensive trust as a team is at a level unseen since 2007. When the Spurs can trap their way to wins with smaller lineups, extra effort and trust, that is a dfference maker.

    So there you have it. Sometimes, it's the little things that make a difference.

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    Nice take Solid D.

    I would add that it seems to me that there is one other small thing that has changed - when Pop goes small, every position is a treat to score this year. You can't put a defensive stopper with no offensive game out there in a small ball lineup - it just doesn't work with the inherent advantage of small ball - the ability to scramble defenses.

    Of course, if a shooter like Bonner goes cold in the postseason, we'll see how quickly Pop adjusts. But if defenses are forced to honor all 5 players in the Spurs lineup, look out.

    I used this quote from Charlie Wilson's War in another thread but it fits my perspective on the season perfectly:

    Gust Avrakotos: There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see." Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see." Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."
    Charlie Wilson: Now the Zen master says, "We'll see."
    Yes, I'm excited about how the team is playing. Yes, I love watching some of the national pundits choke back their disdain and bitterness at having to talk about this team, and then showing their asses by getting so much wrong when they do speak... But can what amounts to mostly quality of play improvements like Solid D described, plus player health put this team over the hump without major structural improvements?

    We'll see.

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    good take Solid D and Mark in Austin. I do think the spacing is much better this year as opposed to last when Bogans/RJ couldn't hit from 3 with much consistency...

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    I have a horrible feeling that we are setting ourselves on a course to mirror the gity Dallas Mavericks of 2007.
    Here's a few stats that show the Spurs will be well rested for the playoffs and capable of improving over their regular season performance:

    Minutes per game, for Spurs playing all 33 games:

    BIG THREE

    Duncan 28.9
    Ginobili 31.5
    Parker 33.2

    OTHERS

    Blair 20.4
    Neal 18.1
    Jefferson 31.7

    These are very light minutes for all of these players.

    Games Missed:

    Dice 4
    Hill 5
    Bonner 6
    Splitter 7
    Anderson 27

    So if these players are back, the Spurs will have even more troops for the playoffs. Pop has 11 good players that he can match up for the playoffs, depending who the other team is, performance, streak shooting, foul trouble, etc.

    Pop knows what he is doing. And we still have the rodeo road trip ahead. As things stand now, we will get an easy team in the first round, maybe Portland, Houston, or Denver (minus Carmelo?).

    In the second round, we get a wounded Dallas or Oklahoma City and we get home court.

    Then the Lakers for the third round and the Lakers look they are in decline, plus we will get them at home.


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    BIG THREE MINUTES HEAT

    Lebron 1312
    Bosh 1240
    Wade 1195

    BIG THREE MINUTES SPURS

    Parker 1096
    Manu 1041
    Duncan 955

    ANALYSIS

    The Heat Big Three have 655 more minutes.

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    Thanks Mark and Mazer! There is no doubt that this season's RJ/Neal/Anderson have spread the floor with their shooting better than RJ/Mason/Bogans. RJ went from .316 from behind the arc to .433 so far this season. Mason shot .333 while Neal is shooting .394 on his 3-Pt shots. Bogans hit .357 of his 3s, whereas Anderson was shooting .500 before he went down. Udoka isn't a factor behind the arc but Quinn keeps it balanced when he plays.

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    Pop has 11 good players that he can match up for the playoffs, depending who the other team is, performance, streak shooting, foul trouble, etc.
    If Dallas is healthy come playoff time, it will be very difficult to match up with that length in the front court.

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    If Dallas is healthy come playoff time, it will be very difficult to match up with that length in the front court.
    you're kidding, right? The Spurs have 5 quality big men who could be starting for other teams.


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    Since the Spurs are getting an extra 2 points from their 3-Pt accuracy and an extra 1.5 points from their FT shooting...I say Chip Engelland deserves a raise. Since TP, Manu, George and DeJuan are all averaging more than a steal/game, whoever is influencing the active hands and passing lane awareness deserves a raise, also. As I said before, this is where the extra 4 ppg are coming from.

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    I actually find it interesting that this Spurs "explosively potent" offense is essentially averaging the same amount of points per possession as last year, while the defense has improved from last year. Even so, people are talking about offense more than last year, and saying the defense is worse than last year.

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    I actually find it interesting that this Spurs "explosively potent" offense is essentially averaging the same amount of points per possession as last year, while the defense has improved from last year. Even so, people are talking about offense more than last year, and saying the defense is worse than last year.
    I missed seeing those ppp #s. What are they?

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    I'm on the side of the worried people.I'm enjoying the ride so far but, considering of course the health basics, I'm worried about the contributions of 3 / 4 important role players in POs:

    - Hill is vastly contributing so far but there is a ? on his PO capacity at least for me, he did a tremendous job against Dallas but has been awful against Phoenix.

    - How Neal and Anderson will help in the POs ? we will only figure out during the POs, I still remember being hyped by RMJ before the POs.

    - Difficult to not recognize the very good job done by Bonner so far but at the same time we also know he will fade away when it matters, so goodbye the 3s to save the day.

    - At a less extent I hope RJ will maintain his intensity.

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    then obviously the mavs and the refs. season over.

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    I missed seeing those ppp #s. What are they?
    points per 100 possessions or offensive efficiency, or offensive rating. You can find them at basketball-reference.org for previous seasons http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2010.html

    That shows that 110 points per 100 possessions last year. (however while that was 9th in the league that year, 112.2 is good for first this year so the league average might be lower this year)

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    Although, basketball-reference hasn't updated their stats, I think. ESPN and hoopdata both have the Spurs this year at about 110 points per 100 possessions, not 112.2 that basketball-reference.com has. I'd think ESPN and hoopdata are more up to date, so that means the numbers last year and this year are pretty much the same offensively.

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    Actually, in looking at these stats, there must be some discrepancy in how basketball-reference defines "offensive rating." ESPN has last year's spurs as 107.2 offensive efficiency, which is supposed to be defined the same way as basketball-refernce defines "offensive rating" but they say that last year's spurs were at 110...weird.

    So my previous post is a bit wrong, the spurs are averaging 3 more points per 100 possessions than last year's squad, not exactly close to the same...

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    The facts remain that the Spurs are attempting only 1 FG (.97) more per game than last season, yet their efficiency and point production (+4.2) have both improved.

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    you're kidding, right? The Spurs have 5 quality big men who could be starting for other teams.



    5 bigs that will have matchup problems against the mavs' length.

    that aside, name the 5 bigs and name the teams they could be starting for.

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    yeah, my post before was a misunderstanding using basketball-reference's stats. The Spurs are getting to the line more often and turning the ball over less than last year's teams too, not just shooting a higher percentage...

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    SOLID D BABY!

    Nice takes my friend

    What do you think about the game tomorrow? What will it take to win in NY and stop the Felton--Amare pick and roll?

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    yeah, my post before was a misunderstanding using basketball-reference's stats. The Spurs are getting to the line more often and turning the ball over less than last year's teams too, not just shooting a higher percentage...
    True statements...not significantly so, but every little bit helps.
    2009-10 FTA/Game TO/Game
    SA Spurs........24.01...........13.61

    2010-11 FTA/Game TO/Game
    SA Spurs........24.88...........13.45

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    Since the Spurs are getting an extra 2 points from their 3-Pt accuracy and an extra 1.5 points from their FT shooting...I say Chip Engelland deserves a raise. Since TP, Manu, George and DeJuan are all averaging more than a steal/game, whoever is influencing the active hands and passing lane awareness deserves a raise, also. As I said before, this is where the extra 4 ppg are coming from.
    pow pow
    I have been meaning to start a thread or poll asking if people believe the improved shooting we are seeing is mostly due to Chip working with this team for as long as he has. I think this is the case. I wish the media in SA would ask pop or chip himself on the matter.

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    Another obvious caveat to be repeated. 33 games is only a slice.

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    33 games is only a slice.
    True that my neighbor, but it could be a very indicative for what's to come as well.
    Last edited by EricD; 01-03-2011 at 05:38 PM.

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    SOLID D BABY!

    Nice takes my friend

    What do you think about the game tomorrow? What will it take to win in NY and stop the Felton--Amare pick and roll?
    This should be a high-scoring game, by all rights. Lots of early offense.

    In order to stop the screen/roll with Amare, the Spurs will mix it up, varying the looks, using Hill a little more on Felton, and switching the screens while bringing help for Hill from the weakside. Another look would be for Parker or Hill to play over the top of Amare's screens and force Felton baseline while dropping everyone else (to the lane's edges).

    Amare usually does well, but then again, so does Timmy in this matchup. If the Spurs don't have energy to close out to the perimeter shooters, the Knicks will eat that up. They shoot well from the arc.

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