Adrian Beltre to Rangers?

[BUMP]

Unfortunately I agree with mono.

Beltre is one of the most notable contract thieves in baseball history. And at 37 this is likely his last big deal so he'll have no incentive to really go all out anymore.

Atleast he'll hit more homeruns then he did in Seattle/LA now that he's playing in Arlington. This team is gonna be like those old Ranger teams that were all hitting and no defense. Atleast they'll be fun to watch

[yavozerb]

The difference is that Young's 2 best seasons didn't come during his contract years, and those 2 contract years weren't SIGNIFICANT improvements over any other season in his entire career.

Beltre's 2 best seasons were coincidentally the only two years he had a BA over .300 and the only two years he had over 100 RBI. And they're his 2 contract years. What a ing coincidence.

You're ing re ed if you think Beltre will produce anywhere near the level he did last season. And I GUARANTEE YOU, by June the majority of Rangers fans will be ing about how Adrian Beltre is a contract year who is lazy as and not earning his money.

I dont think I ever said he would match last yrs totals, but, I do expect his career average of .275, 20-25 hr's, 80-100 rbi's and a top 3 defensive 3b for the coming season. Are you expecting more? Did TX overpay for Beltre, maybe, but this move also hurts a division rival. Money well spent in my opinion..

[monosylab1k]

I do expect him his career average of .275

if he plays like in his seattle post-contract signing days, then it's probably closer to .260ish

20-25 hr's

possible

80-100 rbi's

unless you just want to be completely disingenuous, remove the 100 because HE'S NEVER HIT 100 RBI IN A NON CONTRACT YEAR.

Did TX overpay for Beltre, maybe

maybe?


MAYBE?????





you're an idiot.

In his VERY BEST YEAR in seattle, he went .276/26/99 which is good for a 8-10 million a year player, but when he stands to make ALMOST 100 MILLION DOLLARS then those numbers need to be his absolute worst season totals.

[yavozerb]

if he plays like in his seattle post-contract signing days, then it's probably closer to .260ish



possible



unless you just want to be completely disingenuous, remove the 100 because HE'S NEVER HIT 100 RBI IN A NON CONTRACT YEAR.









maybe?


MAYBE?????





you're an idiot.

In his VERY BEST YEAR in seattle, he went .276/26/99 which is decent for a 8-10 million player, but when he stands to make ALMOST 100 MILLION DOLLARS then those numbers need to be his absolute worst season totals.

Wow, your calling me the idiot...Take a look at seattle's ballpark and arlingtons's ballpark, which do you think is more hitter friendly?
Take a look at the lineup of the seattle mariners at the time he was there and compare it too the rangers lineup, which do you think is better as a hitter?
Only an idiot like yourself looks at the just the player and raw numbers..To say Beltre has been on a team and a stadium like Texas is foolish. And yes, stadiums and teams do a play a huge part in putting up big numbers in mlb.

[monosylab1k]

Wow, your calling me the idiot...Take a look at seattle's ballpark and arlingtons's ballpark, which do you think is more hitter friendly?
Take a look at the lineup of the seattle mariners at the time he was there and compare it too the rangers lineup, which do you think is better as a hitter?
Only an idiot like yourself looks at the just the player and raw numbers..To say Beltre has been on a team and a stadium like Texas is foolish. And yes, stadiums and teams do a play a huge part in putting up big numbers in mlb.

Dodger Stadium is the quintessential pitcher's park, and Beltre put up monster numbers there. Why? Contract year. Then he goes to a similar ballpark in Seattle and plays like ass.

The end.

[JamStone]

I dont think I ever said he would match last yrs totals, but, I do expect his career average of .275, 20-25 hr's, 80-100 rbi's and a top 3 defensive 3b for the coming season. Are you expecting more? Did TX overpay for Beltre, maybe, but this move also hurts a division rival. Money well spent in my opinion..

His defense helps and it is very good. I see more as a .260 hitter than .275 or better. But he should be able to supply around 25 HRs if he gets his 600 plate appearances. He has a fairly consistent track record of home run power when he gets 600 PAs/550+ ABs. And the argument that it hurts the Angels is a strong one imo. That might be even more important than his defense. As it stands, it doesn't look like Oakland or Seattle will be threats any time soon, at least it's unlikely. So the Angels are biggest threat. Keeping Beltre from the Angels does strike me as a significant factor in signing him. Is that and he worth $15-16 million a year though?

I do question the money and length. Being the contract type of player he is, it is pretty risky. I would think around the $10 million a year range would make the deal a lot more reasonable for the Rangers because it's probably pretty likely that the contract will start looking bad as early as the second or third year. if they're going to go five years on Beltre, should have just given Cliff Lee that 7th year.

[jjktkk]

Dodger Stadium is the quintessential pitcher's park, and Beltre put up monster numbers there. Why? Contract year. Then he goes to a similar ballpark in Seattle and plays like ass.

The end.

Another pitchers ball park. The Rangers did overpay for Beltre, but he is the perfect rh compliment to Hamilton, Cruz, etc..., not to mention the fact he is superior defensively to Young and the signing weakens Anaheim. The move allows Young to be a super utility guy, able to play at least 3 infield positions. I know you have a cartoon avatar, but I hope you don't have a cartoon brain, if you can't see the advantages to the Rangers siging Beltre.

[yavozerb]

Dodger Stadium is the quintessential pitcher's park, and Beltre put up monster numbers there. Why? Contract year. Then he goes to a similar ballpark in Seattle and plays like ass.

The end.

Ya, his last year in LA was pretty comparible to jose bautista of this year, no known explanation. Have you even taken a look at the rest of his numbers? His last year in boston is about the same as 5-6 other years in seattle and LA, not sure why you think it was a monster year for him. In your own mind you are right, so we shall see when the season begins and I cannot wait to hear your bull excuses then.

[monosylab1k]

Another pitchers ball park. The Rangers did overpay for Beltre, but he is the perfect rh compliment to Hamilton, Cruz, etc..., not to mention the fact he is superior defensively to Young and the signing weakens Anaheim. The move allows Young to be a super utility guy, able to play at least 3 infield positions. I know you have a cartoon avatar, but I hope you don't have a cartoon brain, if you can't see the advantages to the Rangers siging Beltre.

you think signing a career underacheiver who only plays hard in contract years to a ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT is a good idea? And you're questioning someone else's intelligence?

[monosylab1k]

The whole point of the Dodger Stadium/Seattle comparison is to prove that in Adrian Beltre's world, pitcher's parks and hitter's parks don't mean ing . It's "getting paid" versus "already got paid".

I can't wait to shove this back in your faces when he is sucking a fat all season long at the plate.

[jjktkk]

The whole point of the Dodger Stadium/Seattle comparison is to prove that in Adrian Beltre's world, pitcher's parks and hitter's parks don't mean ing . It's "getting paid" versus "already got paid".

I can't wait to shove this back in your faces when he is sucking a fat all season long at the plate.

I'll be waiting, but don't go hiding if this turns out to be a good signing either.
Its a shame that all you care more about trying to prove your point, rather than being a fan.

[monosylab1k]

I'll be waiting, but don't go hiding if this turns out to be a good signing either.
Its a shame that all you care more about trying to prove your point, rather than being a fan.

I'd love for Beltre to play great and prove me wrong. the problem is that IT WON'T ING HAPPEN. I have years and years and years and years of evidence to back up my claims. You have two contract years and a bunch of rose colored glasses fanboy hopes to back up yours.

[yavozerb]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...eltrad01.shtml

At dodger stadium Beltre hit 20+ hr's 4 out of 6 seasons (not counting rookie season), at seattle he hit 19+ hr's 4 out of 5 seasons, and his only season at boston he hit over 20 hr's as well. His only fluke season was his last year in LA with 40+ hr's and his average was above normal in boston thanks to the monster. Guy puts up steady numbers but if you want to focus on just those 2 seasons be my guest.

[monosylab1k]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...eltrad01.shtml

At dodger stadium Beltre hit 20+ hr's 4 out of 6 seasons (not counting rookie season), at seattle he hit 19+ hr's 4 out of 5 seasons, and his only season at boston he hit over 20 hr's as well. His only fluke season was his last year in LA with 40+ hr's and his average was above normal in boston thanks to the monster. Guy puts up steady numbers but if you want to focus on just those 2 seasons be my guest.

In any of those non-contract years, has he EVER put up 100 million dollar player numbers?

[yavozerb]

In any of those non-contract years, has he EVER put up 100 million dollar player numbers?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...tre/index.html

1st off, it appears the Rangers are only on the hook for 5yrs 80 mil and the 6th is an option for the rangers. So the whole 100 mil. player is already getting old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...seball_players

Its baseball, do you really think any of these were 100 mil. players?

[Phillip]

I don't like giving this much money either, but at the same time, getting him would pretty much guarantee the Rangers get back to the playoffs again next year by improving the team and screwing the Angels. If they can get to the playoffs with some kind of consistency, then signings like this will more than pay for themselves. Their focus needs to be on getting this franchise up to a level of more positive consistency.

[JamStone]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...tre/index.html

1st off, it appears the Rangers are only on the hook for 5yrs 80 mil and the 6th is an option for the rangers. So the whole 100 mil. player is already getting old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...seball_players

Its baseball, do you really think any of these were 100 mil. players?

That list at the top shows players that have earned over $100 million over their entire careers. Many of those players didn't earn $100 million over 6 seasons.

Just FYI.

edit: sorry, I didn't see the bottom. At the bottom of the link, it shows $100 million contract. I would probably say most of them came close to deserving their contracts. But there are definitely busts too, like Soriano, Hampton, Barry Zito, Vernon Wells. Werth doesn't deserve his contract imo. But a lot of those guys seem to be the type of stars who do.

Beltre to me has the look of a $10 million a year type of player. But that's just me.

[yavozerb]

That list at the top shows players that have earned over $100 million over their entire careers. Many of those players didn't earn $100 million over 6 seasons.

Just FYI.

edit: sorry, I didn't see the bottom. At the bottom of the link, it shows $100 million contract. I would probably say most of them came close to deserving their contracts. But there are definitely busts too, like Soriano, Hampton, Barry Zito, Vernon Wells. Werth doesn't deserve his contract imo. But a lot of those guys seem to be the type of stars who do.

Beltre to me has the look of a $10 million a year type of player. But that's just me.

Thanks for the correction...I agree with your opinion and how much beltre is probably worth. But, when was the last time when a top5 summer FA didnt get overpaid. Lets hope the Rangers farm system keeps producing good mlb talent so they do not have to dip into FA very much.

[BUMP]

I don't like giving this much money either, but at the same time, getting him would pretty much guarantee the Rangers get back to the playoffs again next year by improving the team and screwing the Angels. If they can get to the playoffs with some kind of consistency, then signings like this will more than pay for themselves. Their focus needs to be on getting this franchise up to a level of more positive consistency.

I think the Angels are seriously declining too but you're forgetting about the A's scroh.

They remind me of the Giants of a few years back. Like those Giants, they had a ton of young stud pitchers that keep them in every game. All they have to do is sign a few veteran quality bats and they can beat anybody. They will be tough this year for sure.

[Texas Chili Dog]

I hope the rest of the Rangers know about Beltre's issue of being rubbed on the head. lol

[JamStone]

I think the Angels are seriously declining too but you're forgetting about the A's scroh.

They remind me of the Giants of a few years back. Like those Giants, they had a ton of young stud pitchers that keep them in every game. All they have to do is sign a few veteran quality bats and they can beat anybody. They will be tough this year for sure.

That's actually a pretty interesting comparison. And they have added a few under-the-radar bats in David DeJesus, Josh Willingham, and Hideki. Their offense may be inconsistent but it shouldn't be as putrid as the last few years. I like those moves they made because they were affordable for their franchise and for the most part they're low risk and high reward moves. DeJesus is a guy I wanted my team to go after in a trade.

And they do have a heck of a young starting rotation. Cahill, Braden, Anderson, and Gio Gonzalez is a stud in the making. Lol Rich Harden is probably the worst of the five starters, and if he could ever get consistent command he'd be one of the nastiest starting pitchers out there too.

I just think it's hard to predict a Giants type of season from any team because I really do think that San Francisco just caught lightning in a bottle. And they needed help from the Padres to even get to the post season. The Padres just ing choked. But I can't imagine another team doing what the Giants did last season with that mediocre of a line-up, relying so much out of their starting pitching. I guess it's possible. I just don't. They basically had Huff and Posey and a patchwork of scrubs and past their prime guys. Even Panda had a pretty pedestrian year. Not 1 100 RBI guy, heck not even a 90 RBI guy. Posey the only .300 hitter. No 30 HR hitter. Huff the only guy who scored 100 runs. It was really a bad offense. 9th in the National League in runs scored and RBIs. 8th in OPS. Really a middle of the pack offense, even for the National League.

I'm still pretty amazed they won it all.

I'd be surprised to see that type of run again by another team.

[monosylab1k]

Thanks for the correction...I agree with your opinion and how much beltre is probably worth. But, when was the last time when a top5 summer FA didnt get overpaid. Lets hope the Rangers farm system keeps producing good mlb talent so they do not have to dip into FA very much.

lol @ how quickly you're backtracking.

page 1 of this thread "such a great in signing "
page 2 of this thread "hopefully the Rangers don't overpay for guys like this very much "

[BUMP]

That's actually a pretty interesting comparison. And they have added a few under-the-radar bats in David DeJesus, Josh Willingham, and Hideki. Their offense may be inconsistent but it shouldn't be as putrid as the last few years. I like those moves they made because they were affordable for their franchise and for the most part they're low risk and high reward moves. DeJesus is a guy I wanted my team to go after in a trade.

And they do have a heck of a young starting rotation. Cahill, Braden, Anderson, and Gio Gonzalez is a stud in the making. Lol Rich Harden is probably the worst of the five starters, and if he could ever get consistent command he'd be one of the nastiest starting pitchers out there too.

I just think it's hard to predict a Giants type of season from any team because I really do think that San Francisco just caught lightning in a bottle. And they needed help from the Padres to even get to the post season. The Padres just ing choked. But I can't imagine another team doing what the Giants did last season with that mediocre of a line-up, relying so much out of their starting pitching. I guess it's possible. I just don't. They basically had Huff and Posey and a patchwork of scrubs and past their prime guys. Even Panda had a pretty pedestrian year. Not 1 100 RBI guy, heck not even a 90 RBI guy. Posey the only .300 hitter. No 30 HR hitter. Huff the only guy who scored 100 runs. It was really a bad offense. 9th in the National League in runs scored and RBIs. 8th in OPS. Really a middle of the pack offense, even for the National League.

I'm still pretty amazed they won it all.

I'd be surprised to see that type of run again by another team.

my Stone, bringing the goods (par the course, the usual, tree of woe, etc.)

It's highly unlikely that the A's can win the World Series, but winning the AL West isn't too much of a stretch. They finished 2nd and passed the Angels at the very end which few people realized or cared about. Not to mention they gave the Rangers more then they could handle head to head. This division will definitely be a lot closer than people think now that we lost Cliff Lee. The A's will challenge for 1st place and then Angels still have the best coach in the division so they will compete as well.

[Texas Chili Dog]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb...ory?id=5989768

Beltre is in Dallas undergoing a physical, which is the last step to completing the deal.

[yavozerb]

lol @ how quickly you're backtracking.

page 1 of this thread "such a great in signing "
page 2 of this thread "hopefully the Rangers don't overpay for guys like this very much "

, you truly are one of the dumbest posters on ST..I will state what I have stated all along: great signing for defensive help, great signing if young is indeed going to the DH spot, great signing to weaken the Angels for the coming season, and probably overpaid a little but you do what you need to do to win now. I cannot state my case on this any simpler for you (even for you this should be understandable).