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    If you think it’s as simple as “winning is good”, “losing is bad”. Then you don’t understand as well as you think you do.

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    If you understand the rationale perfectly then why make this comment?
    Because he posted this:

    tbh a win down the stretch might have been worse for this team.
    Maybe you can tell me what you get out of that sentence?

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    If you think it’s as simple as “winning is good”, “losing is bad”. Then you don’t understand as well as you think you do.
    Why? It's an opinion. Ultimately that's what this game is all about.

    Is your (supposedly differing) opinion somewhat more valuable?

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    Why? It's an opinion. Ultimately that's what this game is all about.

    Is your (supposedly differing) opinion somewhat more valuable?
    I'm not sure what game you're referring to.

    And where did I say my opinion was more valuable? You've tried to explain the reasoning of the opposing view as "winning is bad". You clearly don't understand. Or do you think you do?

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    I'm not sure what game you're referring to.
    Basketball.

    And where did I say my opinion was more valuable?
    If you can't recognize the difference between asking a question and making a claim, then you have larger problems.

    You've tried to explain the reasoning of the opposing view as "winning is bad". You clearly don't understand.
    Says who? You? I disagree.

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    Says who? You? I disagree.
    That's because you don't understand.

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    Which is perfectly ok

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    That's because you don't understand.
    You can't prove that. Which means I understand perfectly.

    Which is perfectly ok, tbh

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    You already proved it, tbh.

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    You already proved it, tbh.

    And I thought our argument was stupid . . .

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    You already proved it, tbh.
    Thank you for finally agreeing that I proved I understand

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    All season long, I have been telling timvp that this Spurs team is tallying a lot of wins, but a lot of fluke wins. They have had a bunch of lucky comeback victories. They have caught a lot of teams shorthanded. I jokingly (maybe not) call this team the Fluke Spurs.

    To stop being the Fluke Spurs, they need to get a lot better on D. Pop might have pulled the plug early, but it's for the best. What good would a fluke comeback have done? It would have put another W on the board, but the Spurs would continue to still have an inflated sense of how good they are.

    They aren't good enough to do any damage in the playoffs. And I know... playoffs aren't in January, yada, yada, yada. But to get hungry, they have to stop winning all the time. I know it sounds stupid. And you can say they are professionals, they don't get complacent, etc. However, when you have the best record in the league, you aren't hungry.

    I hope they go on a four-game skid.
    I agree with all but the final sentence, great post.


    We can't let the Spurs record inflate our egos, you're damn right a lot of those wins were bull .
    Kori with the goods.

    Everybody knows that Pop is not a "positive reinforcement" kind of coach. At this rate, Pop won't even get a CHANCE to play the soft card.

    He's been nagging the record all season and, publicly, been criticizing their defense for a while now. But even that didn't come up until their loss to the Magic: another one of Pop's teaching moments.

    Players aren't going to push themselves if they think they have already arrived, thus there will be no improvement. Furthermore, it has to be hard to enforce all of the things they are doing wrong, when in the back of their mind, human nature is reminding them "But we're best in the league, coach!"

    Losses suck, but are necessary if this is actually going to be a process.
    There was nothing good going to come from that game. tbh a win down the stretch might have been worse for this team. They need to realize the defense needs major improvements and human nature is losing=more hard work.
    Really? Winning is bad?

    The things you read here...

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    You already proved you don't understand, tbh.

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    You already proved you don't understand, tbh.
    Prove it or STFU, tbh

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    Ya'll are overreacting about this white towel last night. I used to get pissed seasons ago when Pop would quit in the 3rd, but last night was different. The Spurs were not going to stop the Knicks. That was clear as day. When he finally quit, the Knicks were in complete ownage mode. There was not even a .01% chance the Spurs were going to win that game.

    The Spurs are 29-5. They can afford it. The Mavs won 67 games in a season and still got owned. It's not a big deal.
    The 72:10 Bulls got owned by Orlando one night. It happens to everyone.

    Then again, I went 82 - 0 on my PS3 on NBA LIVE 2010, when I made all my team 7'4" with PG skills... So it's obviously possible if someone just paid attention to the instructions.

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    FWIW, I also know how to use multi-quote:

    Usually I have no problem when Pop waves the white flag early but down ten with 3:15 to go against these Knicks. There are a ton of possessions left. Heck, in the next minute a few threes go down and the Spurs are right there.

    I understand the back-to-back against the Celtics is looming but WTF. Another 1:30 wouldn't hurt anything and at this pace, that could be another five possessions.

    Weird end to a crazy game.
    He wanted RJ to have time to catch his breath so he could say something clever about the Celtics.
    The most annoying part about Pop wasn't the towel... it was the Zone defense.

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    I get that you don't agree with the loss possibly benefiting the Spurs in the long term, but it doesn't help that you don't understand the reasoning behind that viewpoint.
    I understand it. You keep claiming that I don't.

    Prove that I don't. Be specific.

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    I understand it. You keep claiming that I don't.

    Prove that I don't. Be specific.
    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=162

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    The quotes don't include any post from you.
    So you didn't prove anything.

    Furthermore, I dispute that those quote prove I don't understand.

    Now please prove that I don't understand.

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    I need to get at least some work done today.

    Why do those quotes need to include posts of mine? If after the entire thread and all those comments i quoted, you boiled the argument down to "winning is bad". Then you clearly don't get it.

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    I need to get at least some work done today.

    Why do those quotes need to include posts of mine? If after the entire thread and all those comments i quoted, you boiled the argument down to "winning is bad". Then you clearly don't get it.
    Because you're the one making the claim that I don't understand/don't get it.
    Thus, the burden of proving that I don't understand is yours.

    Stop beating around the bush and prove that I don't understand.

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    Because you're the one making the claim that I don't understand/don't get it.
    Thus, the burden of proving that I don't understand is yours.

    Stop beating around the bush and prove that I don't understand.
    As far as i'm concerned it's obvious you don't understand. Why do I have to prove that to you?
    If you understood the logic behind the opposing argument why did you make this comment? That obviously isn't the rationale behind thinking the Spurs were better off losing that game. So why were you arguing against a point that was never made?

    Really? Winning is bad?

    The things you read here...

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    Gregg Popovich played for the long term, not the win Tuesday
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    Be clear about this — the Knicks earned their victory over the Spurs. For the first time seemingly in memory, the Knicks pushed an elite team into their game. The Knicks hit their shots (ones provided by unusually poor defense from the Spurs, but the Knicks hit them). They made the plays. It’s a signature win for a young Knicks team and they should celebrate it.

    But at the end of this game, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich made the move of a wise coach with a veteran team that has some scratching their heads, as Henry Abbott at TrueHoop pointed out.

    With 3:10 left in a game in New York, the Spurs down by ten and the game a longshot, but decidedly undecided, Popovich summoned from his bench three players who had not taken off their sweats all night: Chris Quinn, Ime Udoka and Tiago Splitter. They were to complete the Spurs’ comeback — or not, as it turned out — teamed with Matt Bonner and Gary Neal.

    Sitting on the Spurs’ bench: Some of the greatest clutch performers in NBA history, including Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. With the best players out there playing, maybe this was about to become three minutes for the ages. The Spurs have come back from bigger deficits in less time.

    After this game, the Spurs hopped on a plane and flew to Boston, where they face the Celtics tonight. A back-to-back as games 34 and 35 in a long 82-games season. A regular season which is followed by what really matters — the playoffs.

    It comes back to what the Celtics showed last season, going 11-11 in their last 22 but getting rested and healthy for the playoffs — then making a run all the way to Game 7 of the NBA finals. What really matters for veteran teams is taking care of themselves and reaching the playoffs in good condition.

    If that means not throwing everything into a longshot at a comeback in early January, then so be it. Fans may not love it, the league may not love it, but it’s the reality in a six-month long regular season.
    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...e-win-tuesday/

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    As far as i'm concerned it's obvious you don't understand. Why do I have to prove that to you?
    Why keep making the claim if you can't back it up?

    If you understood the logic behind the opposing argument why did you make this comment? That obviously isn't the rationale behind thinking the Spurs were better off losing that game.
    Because I obviously do not agree with it. I don't agree with the notion that under any cir stances "winning is bad".

    So why were you arguing against a point that was never made?
    Did the original poster opine that maybe winning last night's game could have been worse than losing it? That's not a point made?

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    I watched the game and my two cents are that SA might've won the game, but probably not and even though SA did lose, SA can afford to lose and that I side with Pop.

    And yes, losing and resting does benefit the team in the long term.

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