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Why wouldn't they?
And how the do we stop them? Fisher can say its unacceptable but what how do you stop them from doing it?
Does he think the rest of the world finds it acceptable we just do whatever the we want?
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ex.html?hpt=T1
(CNN) -- Images believed to be of China's next generation of military air power have been buzzing around the internet, but Pentagon officials are insisting it does not mean China has matched American air capabilities.
The new Chinese stealth fighter jet, known as the J-20, isn't supposed to be operational until at least 2017, but a Chinese air force commander told Chinese TV in 2009 that flight testing would begin much sooner. Stealth jets, such as the United States' F-22, are designed to evade detection by radar and anti-aircraft defenses.
Now unknown sources have posted photos of what appears to be the plane on an airfield runway in southwestern China.
"We are aware of their plans to develop this fifth-generation fighter," Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said Wednesday. "The photos that were released recently are presumably of some taxi testing."
At a Thursday briefing, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei declined to comment on reports on China testing the jet.
"China insists on a path of peaceful development," he said. "We have adopted a national defense policy that is defensive in nature and do not threaten any other countries. China has been an important force in maintaining regional and global peace."
The emergence of the photos comes as Defense Secretary Robert Gates heads to China this weekend to discuss the military relationship between the U.S. and China. And later this month, President Hu Jintao will go to Washington for a summit with President Barack Obama.
One China watcher says Beijing's failure to censor the grainy images on the web proves the photos are of the new jet and the country wants them to circulate.
"The Chinese military and the police could have swept the area around the airfield very easily, but what they've done is they've controlled this. They've allowed Chinese to only take photos with cell phones, meaning that the photos that we have are low-resolution, do not give us a great deal of detail about the aircraft and they're put on the web with a low-resolution format," said China military scholar and author Richard Fisher. "The response within China has been overwhelmingly positive and has spurred national pride to an enormous degree."
The Pentagon is taking a low-key approach to the surge in publicity about the Chinese fighter, saying their existing top-of-the-line warplane has engine problems and that their next plane is years away. But Fisher says that timeline could be sped up if the Chinese buy an engine from Russia as opposed to developing it themselves.
"It's something that is in some form of development, as a fifth-generation fighter. As I noted, the Chinese are still having difficulties with their fourth-generation fighter," Lapan said in an off-camera question session with journalists in his office.
And he said that while the new jet was not mentioned in the Pentagon report on China that was sent to Congress in August as an annual update for China's defense capabilities, the Defense Department has talked about it.
"We as a department have publicly spoken about it in the past. It is not as if we have not acknowledged that they are pursuing a fifth-generation fighter," Lapan said. "So we are aware of it. But it is not of concern that they are working on a fifth-generation fighter."
Fisher, however, says it should be a concern, citing the Chinese jet's potential ability to overtake that of America's F-22 in thrust and "supercruise" speed, which is the ability to fly supersonically without using fuel-guzzling afterburners.
"We can't say precisely what the capabilities are, but we have a good idea. Right now, we should be reviving production of the F-22 and not just reviving production, we should be developing an advance version of the F-22," said Fisher. "And sadly, even though it is a troubled program, already the F-35 needs another rework. It needs to be made compe ive with this fighter."
The F-22 was scaled back in production in 2009. The production of the F-35, which is being developed and tested, could be slowed under Gates' budget-cutting initiative.
In 2009, Gates said that no nation comes close to the United States' air power, and he anticipated the Chinese having only "a handful" of fighters that challenge the U.S. advanced fleets by 2025. But Fisher cautions that this Chinese jet could cause a change in the balance of power in the Pacific.
"Since World War II, the American military has never gone into battle without the assurance of air superiority. China is a rising power, and it is determined to challenge the American position globally," said Fisher. "This fighter will allow them to do that on a military level... and from my perspective, that's simply unacceptable."
CNN's Steven Jiang in Beijing contributed to this report.
Why wouldn't they?
And how the do we stop them? Fisher can say its unacceptable but what how do you stop them from doing it?
Does he think the rest of the world finds it acceptable we just do whatever the we want?
china steals all our technology and copies it.
i wouldnt be shocked to find out they have detailed specs on how to build an F22 raptor.
how did they steal it?
chinese sleeper spies that live in USA for decades, computer hackers, bribing american citizens, chinese gov't supporting black market criminals to get their hands on stolen american hardware/tech.....
You don't think the US does the same?
Stealth is 30 year old technology, though.
Manny, I ing hate your avatar
All countries, esp allies, spy on all other countries, esp allies.
Renault just fired 3 of their EXECUTIVES for industrial espionage targeting Renault/Nissan electric car technology.
wikileaks:
"France is the evil empire (in) stealing technology, and Germany knows this," Berry Smutny, the head of German satellite company OHB Technology, was quoted as saying in the diplomatic note obtained by WikiLeaks.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/f...renault-leaks/
Good, it's lonely at the top.
Why is this news, and why did this thread take off?
Of course they are going to technically advance. That's a no-brainer.
The education bit is true but not the cause of Chinas advancement. When you're on top, it's hard to be motivated to advance technology when no one around you is even within a 20 year span of ourselves. China is experiencing their economic boom like America did in the 50's and 60's.
I read a story about a Toyota chairman and how Toyota did not want to be the #1 car manufacturer in the world, they like to be 2nd. It keeps them motivation to better the company and not get complacent.
China went about this perfectly. America always presses other countries politically and militarily if they step past their boundries. China bought Americas debt, therefore eliminating Americas ability to bully them militarily or politicaly. They use the money from their exports of products from their cheap labor force to expand and to keep buying Americas debts, a circle with no end. When the dollar becomes junk(worth a lot less than what it is currently), America will not be able to afford to keep a full grip on world power. China will step in and take it, without ever having to fight a battle.
Last edited by 4>0rings; 01-06-2011 at 07:46 PM.
Just think "Firefly."
I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing is a consultant on the project... When it comes to making money, countries be damned, right?
cousin just got back from Afghanistan and told me that, as an officer over there, he was privy to the constant push by upper-level brass to sell weapons and technology to locals...even BEFORE our guys had yet to get to use the stuff.
MIC makes money around the globe selling weapons. Its a racket. Its a way to fund their activities without having to rely on congressional funding.
The we see in the press is twenty years old anyway.
you stop them by building better tech than they have. He is saying we should raise the ante.
Did you think he was advocating an attack?
What makes you think we aren't?
not really imho. american education is still good, maybe even better than ever before, but is no longer available for triggas. american technologies have been stolen by those ers that's how they built up all these modern devices and . just come over & visit UCa Berkley and u'll find most students there being asians
fully agreed. cheap labor has been used as the major weapon by commies against america & the whole liberal world. the last slavery land on the earth now
obumer sends his two daughters to a private school in DC, where they receive more than decent education. private schools are prerogatives for the rich not for the majority of population imho.
You missed the tipoff, tbh.
Lemme know when they roll out the Crimson Dragoons.
sadly true. back in the 80s and 90s it was pretty easy to tell who was immigrant or not by his lexicon & syntax, nowadays its more than difficult to do just the same because they are equally dumb
Not honest at all, tbh.
Good to see your priorities are in order. What a rebel. A true patriot.
There's no way of knowing what our country's current secret projects are... I remember when pictures of the stealth bomber first surfaced, we found out the Air Force had them for at least 8 years. Or how they were using internet-like protocols since the late 70's.
If the Chinese now have stealth technology it wouldn't surprise me to find out that our Armed Forces have a fighter capable of much, much more (speculating as to what the technology might be is pointless... knowing of course (with the high-level confidence provided by recent history) that it is likely superior).
G.E. Venture Will Share Jet Technology With China
This article was reported by David Barboza, Christopher Drew and Steve Lohr and written by Mr. Lohr.
As China strives for leadership in the world’s most advanced industries, it sees commercial jetliners — planes that may someday challenge the best from Boeing and Airbus — as a top prize.
And no Western company has been more aggressive in helping China pursue that dream than one of the aviation industry’s biggest suppliers of jet engines and airplane technology, General Electric.
This week, during the visit of the Chinese president, Hu Jintao, to the United States, G.E. plans to sign a joint-venture agreement in commercial aviation that shows the tricky risk-and-reward calculations American corporations must increasingly make in their pursuit of lucrative markets in China.
G.E., in the partnership with a state-owned Chinese company, will be sharing its most sophisticated airplane electronics, including some of the same technology used in Boeing’s new state-of-the-art 787 Dreamliner.
(Full article at the link)
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