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    So any politically motivated crime is definitionally terrorism? Hmm...
    Good question. I mean, if you look at the definition of terrorism...

    ter·ror·ism   
    [ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
    2.
    the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
    3.
    a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
    ... it depends on what the motivations of the shooter were. Was he shooting her because he was frustrated? Or was he trying to send a message to other congressmen and women?

    I wouldn't say it was terrorism, but I wouldn't say, cut and dried, that it's not.

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    Um, what? Communism and Anarchism are complete opposites. He lists far more libertarian/anarchocapalistic rhetoric and literature than he does communist or socialist.

    Outside of the manifesto, what does he cite that is left wing?
    Still trying to use Giffords misfortune as a hammer to attack conservatives? Still trying to take a disgraceful act and turn it into political win?

    What else can be said about you, Manny....your fail speaks for itself.

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    First, my condolences to the families of the slain civilian bystanders, particularly of the young girl. I hope the congress woman pulls through. It seems she was a moderate, why is it that moderates always get attacked by extremists? As someone else mentioned, perhaps the worst fallout from this is that politicians now have an excuse to distance themselves from their cons uencies more.

    Second, as someone else posted delusional and mentally ill are entirely different conditions. From what I have seen thus far, this kid was delusional, not insane. If he was insane, shouldn't have someone in the army or even his college detected his insanity?

    Third, of course it makes a difference what his political motivation was. I dont think there is sufficient information to make a proper judgement, but there are basically three possibilities here:
    a) He attacked a democrat for being a democrat (right wing/tea party theories)
    b) he attacked a democrat for not being democratic enough (communist/leftie theories)
    c) he attacked a politician for being a politician (cartels, crime, immigration, govt plant, anarchist theories)

    in all of these scenarios he may very well be used by another person. If I had to bet right now I'd go with A but still not enough info to make a judgement.

    There is no direct connection yet, but it is a little eerie for the congresswoman to have commented on Sarah Palin's crosshair map and its potential repercussions before getting shot.

    Finally, if indeed he is not insane as I believe him to be, how is an assassination NOT a terrorist act?

    I guess that makes Nixon a terrorist?
    you just realized nixon is a terrorist? watergate was the least of it.

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    Who is next on Sarah Palin's hit list? I'm sure there are many more mentally unstable individuals she can brainwash and turn into psycho killers.

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    Still trying to use Giffords misfortune as a hammer to attack conservatives? Still trying to take a disgraceful act and turn it into political win?

    What else can be said about you, Manny....your fail speaks for itself.
    Conservatives? No.

    Paranoid nutjobs like you who think everyone is out to get them. Yes.

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    The judge that was killed was the one who rendered that unconscionable multi million dollar judgment against that Arizona rancher and for a group of illegals.

    He'll render nary another one.

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    "Giffords misfortune as a hammer to attack conservatives"

    misfortune? Euphemism are lies. She's ing murdered.

    It hasn't been the center and liberals who have been polarazing, dividing, inflamming, inciting America for 30 years.

    It hasn't been the center and liberals who have been pushing smash-mouth, scorched-earth, dirty-tricks, obstructionist, anti-employee, anti-patient, anti-consumer, anti-poor/young/old, "Christian"-supremacist, never-compromise, ELIMINATIONIST policies.

    So who else is there?

    Repugs, tea baggers, conservatives, VRWC.

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    The shooter was a commie/Nazi....that's Hussein Obama's people.

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    He was not in the Army - he tried to enlist but was rejected. He was also kicked out of Pima Community College and was told he couldn't return without a pscyh evaluation. The kid was clearly troubled - but it seems nobody knew just how much.

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    "Christians", ya gotta respek their for ude.

    Westboro Baptist Church To Picket Funerals Of Arizona Shooting Victims

    Your federal judge is dead and your ( -promoting, baby-killing, proud-sinner) Congresswoman fights for her life. God is avenging Himself on this rebellious house! WBC prays for your destruction--more shooters, more dead carcasses piling up, young, old, leader and commoner--all. Your doom is upon you!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...ml?view=print#

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    Listening to the phone interview with the mother of the 9 year old girl. Heartbreaking

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    Listening to the phone interview with the mother of the 9 year old girl. Heartbreaking
    Very heartbreaking. The little girl was interested in politics and her mother's friend thought she would enjoy meeting Rep Giffords and seeing how government works. Rather ironic - the little girl was born on 9/11.

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    The shooter was a commie/Nazi....that's Hussein Obama's people.
    You are an example of the type of person that conservative talk shows brainwash and polarize.

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    He was not in the Army - he tried to enlist but was rejected. He was also kicked out of Pima Community College and was told he couldn't return without a pscyh evaluation. The kid was clearly troubled - but it seems nobody knew just how much.
    No one is arguing that he was not troubled.

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    No one is arguing that he was not troubled.
    Never said they were - just making a comment after hearing some additional information.

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    You're a ing idiot. This guy quoted the Communist Manifesto. His youtube stream preaches anarchy to oppose what's going on in our country today.

    The guy is just crazy, but if you're trying to slap a political party tag on him, the communist and anarchist views make him a through and through leftie.
    No .

    I'll bet the lefties here didn't research the guy like you and I did.

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    That must be why he shot a democratic congresswomen.
    Do you really think there are only democrats and republicans?

    Wow...

    Just wow...

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    No .

    I'll bet the lefties here didn't research the guy like you and I did.
    Again: Anarchy isn't left.

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    Where are the left wing shows?
    NPR, CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc. etc. etc.

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    ter·ror·ism   
    [ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.
    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
    2.
    the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
    3.
    a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
    Yep, just what our government is becoming.

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    Again: Anarchy isn't left.
    Anarchy itself isn't left or right and can exist with either.

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    The shooter was a commie/Nazi....that's Hussein Obama's people.
    There is a lot of stupid in this thread but this one comment stands alone.

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    You are an example of the type of person that conservative talk shows brainwash and polarize.
    Perhaps, but the shooter exemplies leftist attributes.

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    Very heartbreaking. The little girl was interested in politics and her mother's friend thought she would enjoy meeting Rep Giffords and seeing how government works. Rather ironic - the little girl was born on 9/11.
    That's coincidental, not ironic.

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    Yep, just what our government is becoming.
    Becoming?

    I must have missed the part of that definition that says it's only terrorism when it's done to us. We, as a nation, have been actively engaged in empire building since we first fought the British; the process doesn't typically involve baking everyone cookies.

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