Kobe and Duncan's respective rankings on the all-time playoff leaderboards.

**midnightpulp** · 01-09-2011

It is relevant, your posted the ESPN top 50 performances in the finals. That a pretty big cherry pick is it not. Since Kobe went to the finals 3 more times in his career, he tops out. How many points did TD get in the finals the last 3 years. What's his per, TS% and rebounding stats. Oh yeah, 0.

Not a cherry pick, as the list considered the careers of the players.

Magic went to the Finals 3 more times than Jordan. What do Finals appearances have to do with anything?

Bottom line: Both Kobe and Duncan have decent sample sizes in the Finals. Duncan places 4 times on the list, Kobe 0 (although I suspect his '09 performance would sneak in at the bottom if the list were to be redone).

And your "last 3 years" angle is re ed.

**pookenstein** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by midnightpulp

Jesus in' Christ. Is there anything that Kobe isn't overrated at?

Raping.

**Fernando TD21** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by xellos88330

Lakers fans being Lakers fans.

Can't blame them for wanting to talk up their best, but it is pretty hypocritical when they get upset and laugh at people talking up their own. It gets even more confusing when the stat comparisons are thrown out the window when the facts being brought up are all numerical. Facts are facts.

Kobe has had better teams, therefore won more rings. It is a FACT based on a numerical value. One that I will not deny. After all, the NUMBERS, say so. Of course, Duncan has the lions share of the individual playoff statistics which once again are FACTS based on numerical value. After all, the NUMBERS say so as well.

If you are using numbers to state a fact, shouldn't you acknowledge the numbers from the other side too? It isn't a difficult concept really. No Spurs fan can deny that Duncan has fewer rings than Kobe. Therefore, no Laker fan can deny that Duncan is the better individual playoff performer.

See... simple!

Edit: Another thing... If you aren't going to let numbers change your mind, just say so. After all, fan is short for Fanatic.

Originally Posted by midnightpulp

But you can see how the ring argument can be faulty. John Havlicek is not better than Jerry West because he has 8 rings. And Hondo was a first option type player with comparable stats to West. The difference was that West never had the supporting casts like Havlicek.

And any Spurfan who uses the rings argument in a Malone/Duncan comparison commits the same fault. Duncan is not a better player than Malone because he has 4 rings, it's because he improved during the playoffs, while keeping his FG steady at 50%, while Karl dropped from 52% during the regular season to 46% during the playoffs. Huge dropoff. Not to mention Duncan is the better defender, rebounder, and playmaker.

**Quit Hatin'** · 01-09-2011

Duncan already ruined his legacy when he differed to Tony Parker and Manu ginobili.

**midnightpulp** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by Quit Hatin'

Duncan already ruined his legacy when he differed to Tony Parker and Manu ginobili.

You obviously need to "Quit Hatin" spelling.

Per the usual for Lakers fan, though. Dumb s that they are.

**Quit Hatin'** · 01-09-2011

I'm sorry you need a tissue.

**midnightpulp** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by Quit Hatin'

I'm sorry you need a tissue.

Yeah, to wipe the tears away from my face from laughing at the fact your dumbass can't spell simple words.

**Quit Hatin'** · 01-09-2011

Hey you want the "because spell checking makes me cool" badge.

**midnightpulp** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by Quit Hatin'

Hey you want the "because spell checking makes me cool" badge.

I guess we simply differ on the importance of spelling, but if you're not sure of the proper spelling or usage of a word, it can be sometimes wise to defer to a spell checker or dictionary, so you don't come off looking like a dumbass.

**Quit Hatin'** · 01-09-2011

Lol thanks for spell checking my sentence now do you understand and agree with it.

**Brazil** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by Quit Hatin'

Duncan already ruined his legacy when he differed to Tony Parker and Manu ginobili.

lol at this argument, the fact TD is differing to TP and Manu at the O side just show how great Tim Duncan is. Tim Duncan's preoccupation is the team not preserving his average carreer stats. BTW this what Kobe should do to help his team right now, he should begin to differ to Pau and Andrew.

**Giuseppe** · 01-09-2011

He got ya good, didn't he, Bra?

Methinks you doth protest too much.

tee, hee.

**rayjayjohnson** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by midnightpulp

There's no debate. Duncan comes out ahead every time, reducing Kobe fan to the "rings argument."

That's all they (you) have. That, and regular season scoring records.

I hate the raping bas as much as anyone, but isn't the rings argument the only one that matters?

**TheRealCB** · 01-09-2011

Kobe

25ppg 44.8% fg/33.7% 3pt/81% ft/5.2 rpg/4.8apg/2.95TO

Timmy

23ppg 50%fg,68% ft/12.4rpg/3.5apg/2.6bpg/3TO

Dirk

25.6ppg/46% fg/37%3pt/88%ft/11rpg/2.6apg/1 bpg/2 TO

So,who is the best playoff performer of the three?

**Giuseppe** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by rayjayjohnson

I hate the raping bas as much as anyone, but isn't the rings argument the only one that matters?

It was at:::

Duncan: 4

Kobe: 3

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A little different at:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

**midnightpulp** · 01-09-2011

**midnightpulp** · 01-09-2011

Originally Posted by TheRealCB

Kobe

25ppg 44.8% fg/33.7% 3pt/81% ft/5.2 rpg/4.8apg/2.95TO

Timmy

23ppg 50%fg,68% ft/12.4rpg/3.5apg/2.6bpg/3TO

Dirk

25.6ppg/46% fg/37%3pt/88%ft/11rpg/2.6apg/1 bpg/2 TO

So,who is the best playoff performer of the three?

Stat wise?

1.Duncan
2.Dirk
3.Kobe

Factoring in defense.

1. Duncan
2. Kobe
2b. Dirk

I'm sure Laker fan will chime in with his Dirk is a choker bull , but Bryant has had just as many performances in important playoff series as Dirk has had. Difference is, Dirk never had a Shaq or Gasol to pick up the slack. He had Josh Howard and Jason in' Terry.